• AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
      124·
      11 days ago

      There’s a University of Cork study showing that putting the lid down aerosolises more material so spreads bacteria etc. over the whole room, whereas having the lid open produces a smaller number of larger droplets that nearly all just fall straight back into the toilet. The lid is not sealing the toilet and preventing the need to clean the bathroom.

        • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
          73·
          11 days ago

          My comment was explicitly pointing out that closing the lid can have the opposite of the intuitive effect and make things worse even though you’d expect it to make them better. It seems that I misrepresented the study’s findings, though, as while closing the lid does make particles remain airborne for much longer, so my overall point is sound, closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.

          • null@lemmy.nullspace.lolEnglish
            83·
            11 days ago

            closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.

            Significantly – 30-50%.

            So to be clear: close the lid

            • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
              71·
              11 days ago

              That’s not the conclusion the study’s authors drew. The particles being airborne for longer means they can float further and contaminate things further away from the toilet, and also are more likely to end up inhaled. That could be a bigger problem than the number of particles initially released, so the study didn’t make a recommendation of whether the lid should be up or down. More research is required before anyone should be issuing definitive commands in bold to strangers on the internet.

        • spikespaz@programming.dev
          2·
          11 days ago

          Analyze the form factor of toilet. Is it one of those round ones that’s sized for potty-training a child? Emergencies only. The bowl deep enough and water low enough? Push dick down with one hand, hope Poseidon doesn’t kiss your willy. Stand up far to wipe, don’t sit down too fast. Try not to piss under the seat.

          Prefer to avoid public restrooms for shits, stand up to pee.

          • juliebean@lemmy.zip
            1·
            9 days ago

            i’m a bit confused on the geometry here. how can one risk both dipping ones dick in the drink, and peeing under the seat?

            • spikespaz@programming.dev
              1·
              9 days ago

              The seat is the problem not the water. You have to make a choice with some variety of toilets, touch the seat or get splashed. Obviously try to stay far enough away from both, but the point is, standing up is far easier than playing this game.

      • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        11 days ago

        I’m not well endowed, at best I’m average… at best. But while I don’t touch the water, I hit the front of the bowl. It’s disgusting to feel the cold porcelain.

      • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml
        95·
        11 days ago
        • Cleaner for your penis: sitting down eliminates the last drops remaining that are common when standing up
        • Cleaner for the bathroom: zero risk foreskin messing up your aim and having pee hit areas that don’t get washed by the flush
        • Better urine elimination for men that have prostate issues or lower urinary tract symptoms. I don’t, but it’s a factor
        • More chill to sit down and check your phone while in the bathroom
          • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml
            4·
            11 days ago

            No, I’m talking about where the urine hits the toilet. If it hits a part that doesn’t get washed by the flush, the urine dries out there and smells.

        • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 days ago

          Cleaner for your penis: sitting down eliminates the last drops remaining that are common when standing up

          only if you do the gooch scooch

      • flyingSock@feddit.org
        151·
        11 days ago

        I find sitting easier than standing. It requires less attention (atleast if you have standards of the waste actually being in the pot).

      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
        93·
        11 days ago

        do you like, have severe knee pain or something? that’s the only way i can see it being more difficult to sit down.

        • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
          5·
          11 days ago

          Even when sitting down we have to aim the nozzle manually, so it’s just sitting down for a moment then getting up, which normally is more work than standing there for a moment.

          And (at least for me), it is more comfortable peeing standing up (albeit that might be because of a lifetime of doing it like that).

          Another compromise is to pee in the shower. or better yet, on there indoor plants, this way we don’t need to water them.

        • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          11 days ago

          Just the need of undoing your pants/belt already makes it easier to stand up.

          And some seats have that front opening, which helps, otherwise there’s often not much room to pee sitting down.

          Then there’s also some people who prefer to cover the seat with toilet paper before sitting down.

          It’s easier to stand up.

          • Ziglin (it/they)@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            10 days ago

            Magic trick: With a skirt/kilt you don’t need to undo the belt!

            Also isn’t the intersection of needing to undo ones belt and needing the front opening rather small?

          • Anivia@feddit.org
            22·
            11 days ago

            And some seats have that front opening, which helps, otherwise there’s often not much room to pee sitting down.

            Just leave the lid up and sit on the actual bowl itself

        • wondrous_strange@lemmy.world
          31·
          11 days ago

          I don’t like it when my thing touchs the inside of the toilet its disgusting and other xommentters took the time to explain the simple reasons for you

  • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml
    501·
    11 days ago

    If you properly close a toilet seat/lid, everyone has to open it before using it, I don’t see what the big deal is

  • ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    11 days ago

    I’m a woman and will leave the seat up at work (not at home)

    We have unisex toilets and truck drivers use them - they regularly wee all over the toilet seats if left down :(

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      11 days ago

      if there is a lid - always down

      if there is no lid - always up

      it is the safest, cleanest, fairest option

    • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.world
      4·
      11 days ago

      we just leave it down at home. we talked about it one day and everyone with male excretory parts just wants to get off their feet. only time the seat lifts is for cleaning.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
      3·
      11 days ago

      I’ve thought of this so many times. I’m fact, I’ve thought about a spring-loaded seat hinge that raises the seat unless there’s a person upon it. If the seat is always up, it is much less likely to be urinated upon. It takes the work completely out of the hands of the user.

  • halvar@lemy.lol
    362·
    11 days ago

    But like, if men pee with the seat up, but both men and women poop with the seat down, then statistically the seat is already down more than half of the time. Now if we enforce a policy like this, that would mean more than half of the times someone walks in and needs the seat to be down is in luck, but the rest has to do double the “work”. And if someone goes in after someone who would have otherwise left the seat up, they too do double the work, so the seat changes position 4 times instead of once. I think it’s much more “just” to simply change the seat whenever you need it and sometimes you will even find it in the position you need it in

  • Darren@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    322·
    11 days ago

    I once jokingly mentioned to my wife that leaving the seat up is just as convenient for me as leaving it down is for her. To which she pointed out that, of the four different permutations of toilet use between us, 3/4 require the seat to be down, so all in all, it makes sense to leave the seat down.

    And dammit, I had to marry a logical autistic, didn’t I?

    So now I always (try to remember to) leave the seat down.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyz
      121·
      11 days ago

      I tend to sit down to pee most times (at home), so that ratio is even higher for us…

    • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
      9·
      10 days ago

      At home both of those are invalid. You close the lid before you flush so you don’t spread particles everywhere (among many other benefits)

      Everyone opens the lid/seat to the desired level. Everyone does their business. Everyone closes the lid. Everyone flushes and washes their hands.

      True gender equality!

    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world
      5·
      10 days ago

      I mean, it’ll be less than 3/4 if you always stand to pee, because people pee more often than they poop (of they hydrate sufficiently and there’s no health issue). But it’ll still definitely be over half, so the result is the same.

    • Gladaed@feddit.org
      61·
      10 days ago

      That’s just basic math. +Sit the fuck down when pissing at home. Who is paying you to stand while taking a piss when you could sit down?

    • lemmyknow@lemmy.today
      111·
      11 days ago

      I’ve been to men’s restroom before. I wouldn’t sit on that unless extremely necessary. Even then, I’d wipe that ship clean and cover it in toilet paper first

      I do wonder if they all sat whether that’d solve it, though. That is, if it’d be cleaner. Or maybe they don’t need to sit to keep it clean. Idk

      • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
        81·
        11 days ago

        I’ve worked maintenance for many years and I can assure there is no difference between men’s and women’s rest rooms other than there being urinals, they’re all disgusting, we’re all disgusting, all bathrooms are just wild animal shit houses.

        • lemmyknow@lemmy.today
          1·
          11 days ago

          Really? I’d expected cleaner. I mean, they sit. I don’t know how women pee, honestly. Like, how the flow goes. But I can say from experience peeing into a toilet while standing up can be difficult. Pee, y u no single stream straight into toilet?

        • LycanGalen@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 days ago

          From my experience, it depends on where. Malls and things like that where there are many people of all different demographics absolutely are equally disgusting. Semi-private washrooms tend to be less disgusting overall, but women’s are usually at least a little cleaner. Standing to pee causes splashes. Enough human traffic and and the whole place smells like a hamster cage that doesn’t go away unless the whole damn bathroom is flooded in sanitiser.

          • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
            1·
            10 days ago

            Women piss all over toilet seats and floors all the time, even in fancy places, don’t kid yourself. Any bathroom in any location is only as clean as the staff makes it, if left alone every public or semi-private bathroom would be covered in shit and piss within a day and there are no gender lines. I’ve worked at classy joints and dives and if not tended to by staff every toilet will be covered in piss and shit in ways that I personally cannot comprehend. Women’s only toilets get covered in just as much piss and shit as men’s toilets. Most people don’t ever see both restrooms and assume theirs is either cleaner or dirtier than the opposite gender, but as someone who deals with both on a general basis, animal shit houses the lot of them.

            • LycanGalen@lemmy.world
              1·
              10 days ago

              Hi. Been in, worked in both. My experience with bathrooms doesn’t invalidate yours. Both can be true. Hell, we’re probably not in the same country, so social norms can play a factor, and like I said before, demographics make a big difference in a lot of things. Which drug residues are left on the back of the toilet, for example.

              I’m sorry you have such strong feelings about people and public bathrooms. It’s definitely a shitty experience (pun intended). It’s a weird hill to die on though.

    • Darren@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      5·
      11 days ago

      I had a cat that trained me to sit down to pee.

      The only time I could ever get her to purr was when when I was sat on the toilet. So, of course, I began sitting down to pee in order to maximise her purring and fusses. And it kinda stuck.

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      11 days ago

      nooooope not putting my cheeks on that unless necessary

      seat up, squat a bit, and aim to reduce splash. wipe when done no matter what it looks like

    • bob_lemon@feddit.org
      66·
      11 days ago

      Men that pee standing up (except urinals, or bushes) just like to make their life a tiny bit worse for no reason at all.

  • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zipEnglish
    325·
    12 days ago

    Leave the seat down so when you flush you won’t inhale your poop and pee.

    Cmon it’s not hard.

    Edit: and lid.

    • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
      162·
      12 days ago

      I think just being an organism with an anus leads to higher levels of poop exposure than whatever minuscule amount of particulate matter that manages to aerosolize from an unlided flush

      • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
        101·
        11 days ago

        Yes, but I already have all the diseases that I have. I don’t need to add all the diseases everyone else has too, or vice versa.

  • y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    271·
    11 days ago

    If you raise it, put it back down when you’re done. If you put it down, put it back up when you’re done. That seems fair.

    Alternatively, if there’s a lid, close the lid when you’re done. Then everyone is equally “inconvenienced”.

  • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
    307·
    11 days ago

    Biased how. Do the math. Half of us sit down to pee, all of us sit down to shit.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      182·
      11 days ago

      Also, as someone with male plumbing, we can also sit down to pee. So everyone can sit to pee, and half of us can’t.

      • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.world
        1·
        11 days ago

        not to well actually, but once you figure out a female urinal they are kinda nice. according to my mother who spent all last week texting me every time she used one on her hiking trip

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          11 days ago

          The little sleeve thingy? My wife tried to use one but didn’t try it at home first. There was no bathroom/pit toilet out there either. They tried but couldn’t do it. It took me a bit to realize but once you make the connection that literally their entire life they have never had to pee standing up it makes sense that their body is just like nope can’t do it. They ended up holding onto a tree and squatting while I kept watching for critters/moral support. It was dark out and spooky.

          That night I think a raccoon sniffed around our tent which was cool.

              • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.world
                1·
                11 days ago

                My mom was So. Excited. I stopped peeing standing up when I was 25 because legs tired but like I get it when it’s your first week doin it. We told her to aim for leaves and pay attention to which way the wind was blowing because upwind is a mistake you only make once.

                She’s back home from her backpacking trip, I don’t think she’s still using the urinal.

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
      131·
      11 days ago

      Biased meaning only men have to do any work, women never have to (if it’s left down always)

      True neutral would be last used position.

      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
        2·
        10 days ago

        It’s also easier to slam it down, than bend and lift it up.
        And peeing is more frequent when there aren’t urinals.
        So everytime a pissstander arrives to a raised seat, it’s a saving of efforts
        But of course, this avoid the worst problem of all.
        Having to remember to do one extra thing after you’re done and ready to leave
        That last one is probably THE biggest asshle of the entire discussion.

  • Bruhh@lemmy.world
    191·
    10 days ago

    I never understood the whole “you left the toilet seat up” complaint. Never been an issue in my family but have heard “he never puts the seat down” all the time. Is it that much effort to put the toilet seat down when you need to go?

    Edit: Always close the toilet seat cover, not just lowering the toilet seat. This is for both men and women.

  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    18·
    11 days ago

    I put the lid down, don’t want toilet water splashing all over the place when you flush.

    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
      21·
      11 days ago

      I put the lid up, so I don’t have to raise the lid next time I’m there to piss, which is what I do the most often there.

  • aesthelete@lemmy.world
    181·
    11 days ago

    Soft close toilet seats should be standard equipment.

    Then putting the lid down is a matter of a single light push.