It’s indeed quite the mix joingoist delusions of grandeur making the average American think they as individuals are superior to those from other countries whilst not actually having much in the way of values, breadth of knowledge, education or wisdom.
Reminds me how the other day I was watching a Documentary about the war in Afghanistan and at one point there was this American soldier (possibly a Lieutenant) trying to convince a bunch of locals including some elders of something or other and even I (who am Portuguese) could recognize that this guy in his mid/late 20s was totally missing the social clues and natural social structure of the place, for example and not giving the face-saving “respect” to the elders of that culture even if you’re in a position of strength - go to a place thinking you’re a superior person with a superior culture and superior ways and don’t be surprised if the locals seem to “respect” your strength in your face whilst giving you the run-around if they can get away with it and undermining you behind your back.
I think an Antropologist said it something as “the barbarian is the one who belives in the existance of barbarism.”
First time looking at a conflict involving the USA?
Do Vietnam next.
TBF, they literally don’t have the range to hit anything other than US military bases and ships.
A very valid perspective, which brings us back to why did we start a war with a nation that can’t even strike us?
They could hit schools in USA allied countries where the USA military bases are. They could explicitly target the schools in the USA military bases. They’re not doing that, we would be told if they did.
I get what your saying, but I doubt they could. The attacks on Israel have shown that they are not exactly using precision weapons.
Their attacks on Israel have shown they have exact opposite. High precision missiles targeting radar installations and military bases despite jamming.
Cluster bombs are not particularly high precision weapons. I’m all for destroying the Israeli fascist regime but let’s not pish to far with propaganda.
Which incident are you referring to?
The one swith cluster bombs? Little else got throughout after the first wave.
When did this happen?
Well, they could target a school in Qatar and end up hitting some residential area, but we’re not seeing that, it’s military bases that get hit and there’s better stuff to target than schools.
That is exactly what we saw during the ballistic missile and drone attack waves on Israel.
Yes USA bad, but let’s not pretend Iran has the moral high ground, sponsoring proxies groups that mostly attack civilians has been their spiel for decades.
Clearly you are very I’ll informed. Likely intentional
and even if they did - those missiles aint cheap to throw into schools.
The USA is 100% locked down by Israel.
Fuck Israel. Israel hates everyone that isn’t them, they want to kill or enslave us all.
I am not looking for people to reply to me I’m wondering why all these Israeli leaders saying “Only Israel matters” isn’t a bigger issue.
… I’m now remembering I’m not on Reddit and I can relax and not immediately jump into self defence mode.
Free Palestine, kill child predators and Nazis! Nice to not be on Reddit.
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Israel started genociding Palestinians all the way back in the 1940s with the Nakba.
You can only claim this was “started” by Palestinians by very purposefully and very selectivelly choosing a cut-off point in time and refusing to acknowledge anything that happened before that.
Further, even if we accepted your incredibly selective time window to support the claim that “Hamas started it”, after the “who started it” comes the issue of “is the response of the injured part proportionate”, and given that the number of just the children in Gaza killed by Israel actually exceeds even Israel’s own claimed number of israelis killed in October 2024 by at least a factor of 10x, the response is undeniably incredibly disproportionate.
Taking in account the entirety of History as well as the number and nature of those killed by both sides, the reality of what we see now is an invading and occupying group - Israelis - who have been stealing from and killing the people of the land they occupied for almost a century, responded to the latest response from a Resistance groups of the people whose land is occupied with an incredibly disproportionate response were the civilians themselves (including children) were activelly targetted, to the point that they exceeded the violence and murderousness of the actual NAZIs in similar situations in the land they occupied during WWII - the NAZIs killed far fewer civilians in Occupied France as “punishment” for the actions of the Resistance Française than Israelis killed just in this one instance of response to the actions of the Palestinian Resistance.
It’s pretty spectacular to surpass even the NAZIs in murderousness.
Israel has been genociding palestinians since the 40s
Why is this argument with Israel always so one sided.
Because the war is onesided? It’s less of a war but a slaughter. There’s a lot more proof against Israel doing horrible thing to palestinian than hamas did to israeli, obviously people gonna lock in on that.
Hamas are freedom fighters. Death to America and Israel.
Inshallah
That this has upvotes is so telling, thank you.
You’re surprised the countrries currently engaged in genocide and illegal wars of agression are unpopular, lol?
This is a legitimate question and not an insult: are you stupid?
Yep I’m blocking you. Free Palestine!
sources for the ww2 genocide?
The death and destruction in Gaza? what about that?
No need when there are enough school shootings to fill the gap.
Man this sounds an awful lot like Russias MO.
Doesn’t work for them either.
No, it’s American as apple pie.
Sad day to see Russia so Americanised. Where’s the good old days of prison work camps and mass deportations into remote wildlands to create workforce, or bringing democracy to Afghanistan…
America has more non violent prisoners than any country to ever exist, lol.
They left a cutout in the constitution that allows slavery to be used for punishment for a crime.
Alternatively you could make an entire country, or even a block of countries, a prison and shoot people trying to escape it.
russians are more into firing ballistic missiles into residential housings in the middle of the night these days. still doesn’t work.
Look there have been at least 2,000 attacks on U.S. schools with guns… They just so happen to be performed by people from the U.S as well
In their efforts to Westernize Iran, the USA has bombed over 500 Iranian schools this year.
and only by RIGHT wingers, who are white.
They really choose their best school shooters
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Iran definitely has smarter leaders. Low bar, I know.
America over here calling up bestiality bros to fill FBI vacancies. Everything is under control under the reign of King Don’s stable genius.
“western barbarians” was always used as a trope in games and media to describe the us, by asians.
Wait! I know! Are they brown?!
/sarcasm, dummies
I’ll put on my cynical hat, and assume Iran isn’t a perfect humanitarian state.
They are fighting a different war, they know if the US gets the slightest amount of public support it’ll be Iraq/Afghanistan all over again, while the US is bombing Iran, Iran is fighting the propaganda war, and they are doing amazing.
From the lego videos, to only hitting targets the US public don’t care/can’t complain. Like military bases, Amazon Data centers…
They only have to fight until next election cycle. And this extremely unpopular offensive will be over. and they might even get a friendlier US administration.
Trump is 100% losing this war.
losing this war
That’s what America does
Iran is not perfect, but they do have very strong convictions and their own conception of what it means to be a humanitarian state.
Iran never developed or used chemical weapons against Iraq, even when Iraq used it against them. Producing chemical weapons is easy and Iran could have easily done it hade they wanted to.
In the same vein, Iran could have had nuclear weapons had they not decided to ban weapons of mass destruction.
Throwing Kurdish youth activists out of windows is a pretty broad definition of not perfect humanitarianism.
Source?
PJAK statements some 5 yrs back in this particular case, but Kurdish activists are killed there pretty much monthly.
They only have to fight until next election cycle. And this extremely unpopular offensive will be over. and they might even get a friendlier US administration.
Chuck and Hakeem criticisms of the war is that it is not being run competently enough, when Trump had a stopped-clock-moment and signed the first peace deal, they and the rest of BlueMaga were saying TACO Trump.
I have no faith a Gavin Newsom presidency stops the war.
Americans may believe that Democrats will end the war, but I assure you Iranians are under no such delusions. This is not Trump’s war or Netanyahu’s war, it is the Pentagon’s war. Failure to realize this is cope.
Totes, Trump is nothing more then a good puppet.
Winning might not even be the point…
As always, the point is enriching the wealthy. How they do that is any way possible.
There also aren’t too many US schools in the area, but a lot of military bases.
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Still the only nation to have nuked cities.
Thank goodness it was the good guys who did it and the bad guys have never done it. It’d be horrific if the bad guys did it.
Eh, I get what you mean but imagine the Nazis started nuking.
It just struck me. Germany invented missiles just before Japan sent their boys on suicide runs as living missiles. The nazi scientists in the US watching Japan throw so many people away must have felt pretty self satisfied
They might have killed a quarter of a million civilians.
You are aware the nukes were dropped on Japan, not Germany, right? Like at that time Germany was already defeated.
Yeah the Japanese weren’t exactly doing great things at the time but their failure to offer a complete and immediate surrender following the collapse of the Nazi regime did not and could never justify the two most horrific, apocalyptic single attacks ever committed against a civilian population. The US leaders did it because they could, and because they wanted to show off their new toy.
Uh, Iran has bombed a bunch of civilian sites. Also massacred tens of thousands of activists then blacked out the internet to hide it from the world.
Sorry, but there are no good guys in this one.
So Iran was able to kill as many civilians as Israel did in 2 years, in one week, hide the bodies, clean the blood, and convince the families not to say anything? No news footage, no cell footage…
We just have to take the word of a pedophile rapist billionaire government?
All this while mossad literally admitted to having agents in the protests??
Also a prime sponsor of terrorism all over the Middle East. Sure, the US shouldn’t be there and shouldn’t be acting like assholes, but you’re 100% correct. No good guys.
The USA is the number one sponsor of global terror, the fuck you talking about?
Who tried to steal who’s oil in the 50’s?
Who tried and succeeded to overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and instill the Shaw in the 50’s?
Who traded arms for hostages in the late 1970’s and where did the money come from to buy said arms?
Who is Oliver North and why is he a CNN analyst?
Imagine if Iran did this to the USA?
All the USA does is cause terror and pain throughout the world and history.
The US isn’t making Iran have the death penalty for adultery.
The US isn’t enforcing Irans draconian moral laws and the US didn’t murder Jina Amini in a prison cell.
The mullah regime manages to be terrible all without the US/Zionist interventions.
The way to remove them is not a bombing campaign, but if they all died of turbo aids tonight I’d do a happy little dance.
Everyone’s shit here and the primary victims are the Iranian people.
Surely the cure is bombing their civilian infrastructure and sanctioning them to death.
If they stayed out of the middle east and didn’t force Israel to exist you would see a lot less “terrorism” so don’t blame middle eastern countries because dumb colonizers(UK) and their colony(USA) exists. A lot of the current problems in the middle east stem from the colonizers being dumbasses for over 100 years.
This right here. Add to that the fact that many undocumented migrants from Central and South America are often escaping political environments that are the direct result of predatory and/or parasitic American policies.
Intrusive American foreign policy is often the source of bad situations around the world.
Oh yeah Iran would definitely give up its influence over the neighbourhood if only Israel didn’t exist lol
Not what they said. this situation has been fabricated by the west. The players are all assholes, but they didn’t invent the game.
massacred tens of thousands of activists
Trump literally admitted they had armed them.
Was Iran supposed to let US proxies just prevent them from defending themselves?
I would take “tens of thousands” with reserve. It would put casualty rate up there with Ukraine and Gaza war. And all this with small firearms vs 1000kg bombs in war.
Its hard to get anything resembling the truth because gov wants a clean image and protests were happening just before Israel/USA attack which had direct goal of toppling gov with these numbers as justification.
Estimates of 30,000-36,000 are based on testimony of medical workers, eyewitnesses who photographed piled bodies, and best estimates of international aid workers.
You are doing the work of the IRGC. They blacked out the internet for the entire country precisely to obscure what they were doing. Their goal was/is to control the narrative and ensure uncertainty. All this was months ahead of any major attacks by outside powers.
Your instinct that it would be/is an unthinkable atrocity is correct. Your instinct that it’s impossible flies in the face of history.
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The Khmer Rouge killed nearly 1.4 million in Cambodia in less than 2 years, primarily with guns (which doesn’t include perhaps a million more due to starvation, etc.)
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1.5 - 2 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust by bullets in Eastern Europe (not including 4 - 4.5 million more killed in death camps, etc.). Many of these were single incidents over days in which tens of thousands were killed, such as Babi Yar and Kamianets-Podilsky.
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Over 500,000 Tutsis were killed in Rwanda, primarily by guns over about 100 days.
Iran is a country of 90 million people. Evidence from multiple sources affirms the estimates of 30,000-36,000+ killed in January protests.
Any sources then?
But you are comparing with events where they went door to door killing people. But its true that its a large population. Still 30000 deaths is huge. What would then injured be 300000? Its not one shot kill, unless you do summary executions. Is there any comparison to some other crackdown on protesters?
I remain sceptical because there exists (or rather it existed before war) very big interest for numbers to be impressionable.
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Who are the real barbarians?
Uh…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.
trump and Iran are both evil, but Iran isn’t ran by idiots. They understand the game.
Like in most conflicts, both sides can be shitty. But Iran makes what trump is doing with ICE like nothing. They’re both evil and shouldn’t be in power, but Iran’s government has killed looooads more Iranians than trump.
I wonder what Iran would be like if it still had its democratic government before the U.S. and U.K. orchestrated a coup in 1953 that installed the Shah for the crime of nationalizing their oil industry. Iran was on a path to democracy and the US undid that and installed an authoritarian leader.
Obviously way better…
But that’s not whose been running Iran?
Like, America would be a lot better off if Al Gore and Bernie Sanders had been elected too.
Right, but the people running Iran right now are the result of the US interfering explicitly to combat Iran’s socialization of their oil. Which reflexively led to the Iranian Revolution and the current Islamic Republic. The current regime would not exist without US interference. Al Gore and Bernie Sanders suffered domestic interference, not foreign.
You could also say Iran’s pro-democratic people and socialists suffered a little bit of ‘domestic intereference’ when the islamists started killing them off after the revolution
A downstream effect, but you’re absolutely right
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We will never know and that’s not the reality of today. Useless to speculate about, the regime can convert to democracy and stop oppressing its citizens any day they want, but they won’t.
They tried that already. Where did it get them?
If you think the US would lay off the attacks at all if Iran was more democratic, you’re delusional. The last thing the US wants is for it’s prospective resource colonies to be democratic. Because democracies tend to insist on getting a fair deal for their resources so they can reinvest the money on development. Far better to install a military dictatorship that depends on foreign backing and in turn suppresses the people into compliance, while the colonizer steals their resources. Which is exactly the system the US installed in Iran and kept around for decades.
At this point, the US mostly just wants Iranians to suffer (assuming subjugating them again isn’t on the table), because they had the audacity to overthrow their puppet and they don’t want any other colonies getting any ideas.
I am not sure you want to go down this road, the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc
Millions? Bruh if you want to be taken seriously you have at least try to sound like you know what numbers mean
Lol. Not a big fan of the news, eh?
the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc
The fuck are you talking about even?
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Why add a shit ton of countries?
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I’d still be surprised if they directly killed millions of children in all of the middle east. But even if they had, why wouldn’t you compare that to how many Irans government has killed in all those countries?
Google it and get back to us
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Sorry, but this is a false equivalence.
Of course things are terrible inside Iran, especially for women. However. This is about each country’s military strategy.
If you want to whataboutism into “but look at their human rights for their own people”, I will gladly send you here and there for a moment of pause and reflection.
And yes Iran is strategecally far superior in the way they are playing this, but if you think that through, you will understand that Donny and Benji are providing a perfect external threat to Iran, bolstering the perceived need for a ‘protector’ in the from of the IRG.
This zionist war is helping Iran to keep it’s status quo, rather than letting the people continue the beginnings of a groundswell movement which was beginning to take place right before the war.
Your wiki article far from unbiased, and you might want to take into account who’s been interfering for over half a century tool.
TLDR; don’t compare a theocracy vs a (kleptocracy + theocracy) and say one is better than the other. Go print a newspaper in Jerusalem with FREE PALESTINE as the headline, or go walk around freely as a hispanic looking person in any democratic state in the US.
Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.
US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered “US soil.”
Do you expect a country defending itself against attack to travel around the world to attack instead of using those resources defensively?
They very much are not, at least not by default. That’s typically reserved for embassies and consulates. Many foreign bases remain under host nation control.
US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered “US soil.”
You know they meant the US proper.
I am definitely not an expert on Iran, so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not, but I have to say the citations of that Wikipedia article ia full of citations from sources that have clear vested interest in the United State hegemony. This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.
so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not
In the time it took you to type that a rational adult could have just looked it up…
You’re from .ml, I have zero idea what you would consider an acceptable source. And I’m not fucking playing that game where every time I link something you say it’s not good enough.
This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.
You didn’t understand then
You don’t understand now.
I see no reason to believe my time would be more helpful than you’re teachers.
you’re teachers.
Don’t accuse others of failing to learn from their teachers lol.
Yeah man, autocorrect isn’t a thing…
Still not surprising .ml thinks Iran are good guys.
They are against America. Like… Not even a question.
Are you talking about Iran or .ml users?
Because if the later, yeah no shit, here in vietnam, there’s still areas with insane birth defects due to agent orange and elevated arsenic due to agent blue.
Iran are the good guys if we are comparing them to America.
If only they hadn’t had to game so much, they’d be down there helping them hang socialists
Down where? I am in vietnam rn.
You don’t need to be an expert on Iran to know about the human right abuses lol
And you don’t need to be one on America to know its much much worse.
