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OTOH it’s not literally consuming blood and flesh, it’s more like doing it in a D&D game, but with the self-delusion that it’s real.
Transubstantiation makes it literal. Catholic and a couple other demoninations believe they are magically transforming the wine and bread into actual blood and flesh. I mean, that’s what it teaches anyway; whether most people participating believe that is a different story.
Well no, for Catholics it literally is. They’ve killed a ton of people of the years over this issue.
My mom forced me into catechesis, uh, they have this cookie they believe that symbolizes God’s body. Once the teacher mentioned it and a girl didn’t know what was it. When I replied “It’s a cookie”, the woman got angry at me and began saying calling it a cookie was “disrespectful”.
Calling that dollar store rice paper fiasco a “cookie” is an insult to every actual cookie I’ve ever haf
There isn’t even rice, it’s literally just water and flour.
I mean, Henry VIII spun off the Anglican church so he could properly call it a biscuit.
Former Catholic here. No, they believe “trans-substantiation” literally happens, but it literally doesn’t.
But ultimately, the statement being made is addressed to people who do literally believe that it is happening. If you don’t believe that, then the statement doesn’t apply to you, does it?
Furthermore, if they hold, as a requirement for eating the flesh and drinking the blood, that you must believe in its magic, then they are still people who seem to think that they are regularly practising literal cannibalism, and are not just okay with that, but are convinced that it would be morally wrong not to do so.
Throw as many words at it as you want, but literally happening means happening in real life, actually, physically, genuinely, for real. It doesn’t depend on belief.
An important note: I literally never said that it was literal cannibalism.
I claimed that catholics literally believe that it happens, and that they believe that the transsubtantiation literally happens, which is what you said in your original comment. The entire thesis of my comment is that it doesn’t matter at all that it doesn’t literally happen. All that is required for the point is that the original statement was addressed to people who believe in the literal nature. The statement is made to “you”, where “you” applies to the reader if and only if the reader “regularly consumes the blood and flesh of a demigod with elders standing around chanting”. I think we can both agree on at least that much.
I am pointing out that, people not being perfectly objective, we must interpret whether statements apply to us based on our worldview. If a true believer in transsubstatiation read the comment, then the fact that they believe that they regularly consume the flesh and blood of Christ is sufficient to make that statement apply to them. Thus, it is utterly immaterial whether they “literally” eat a demigod. It is sufficient that they believe that they do, and thus should believe the statement to apply to them.
IDK man… Believing you’re actually cannibalizing someone even if you’re not is a bit more fucked up than understanding you’re not actually eating human flesh and it’s just a ritual.
Ok here’s a question - if you have bleeding gums and swallow the blood, are you a cannibal? What if somebody gives you a drop of their blood to swallow? If Catholics believe Jesus is immortal, do they think they’re being cannibals by drinking a small amount of his blood with his consent (in fact, it’s his idea)? In my mind the central question is, does this debate matter any more than an argument about whether Superman could beat up The Hulk? To that last one I’ll say no, it doesn’t, to me it’s all just idle amusement.
I was just thinking about the term “Jeez-Its” this week in the grocery store and giggling like an idiot.
“So how many of those [do] you have to consume before you’ve eaten a whole Jesus?”
got 'em!
well. good point. How about we just consume the flesh then, not the blood, and we introduce maybe some backroom pedophilia as filler?
/s
Prepare to be inquisitioned for heresy. Not for insulting Christianity, but for calling Jesus a demigod.
Isn’t he both god and man, supposedly? Is that not the definition of a demigod?
A demigod is (roughly) 50% man 50% god. Jesus is supposed to be 100% man and 100% god. That’s less of a demigod and more of a contradiction.
That’s not a contradiction if they aren’t related. Is god a species? I don’t think so. It’s like saying a cat is 100% cat and 100% cute. They’re different things. He’s not a human-god hybrid. He’s a god who also happens to be human (at that time).
(Before people go assuming I’m arguing on the validity of all this, it’s stupid. I’m an atheist. The whole thing doesn’t really make sense. I’m just correcting a logical mistake.)
Yeah, but then we get into “what is human?” Last time I checked, humans can’t walk on water, raise the dead, or resurrect themselves.
“what is human?”
A miserable little pile of secrets!
I don’t think those are part of the definition of human. If we develop the ability to walk on water, for example, does that make us not human? I don’t think it would. Human is being of the species homo sapiens and nothing else. That does not definitionally preclude being a god.
Even if Jesus is 100% man and 100% god simultaneously cause reasons, that still means his composition is 50% god and 50% man, which still fits the Demi god definition.
Except that he’s also 100% the Holy Spirit (which is also 100% God and 100% Jesus), so he’s like…67% God/ethereal being?
IDK, maybe Jesus had DID/was a system the whole time.
It’s not a contradiction, it just depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.
See also: trinitarianism.
(/s)
Found Bill Clinton’s Lemmy acct.
if i was an omnipotent god, i would try to break logic at least once too
Ever heard of the satanic temple? An atheist religion. Heres their 7 tenets
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One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
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The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
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One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
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The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
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Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
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People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
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Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
wow, the tenets are incredibly based, the rules are… less so
That’s because they’re from two different sects. The Rules of the Earth come from the Church of Satan, and the 7 Tenets come from The Satanic Temple.
i’ll take one temple please…
ah crap, my bad. I’m going to edit that… sorry.
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So that means that jesus total is 200%, which can be still correctly rappresented as 100%, so he is still a demigod
So they’re just bad at math. Got it
*pretend to consume it while eating some rice paper circles and drinking a tiny sip of wine…
ahem it is the crouton o crist.
No, Catholics really believe that those crackers and wine are physically transformed into the flesh and blood of christ. Other christians treat it as symbolic, but catholics are very literal about it.
Which means they are openly participating in ritual cannibalism, but Atheists are the weirdos?
Seriously, we should start referring to Catholics as Cannibalists.
*pretend to believe
Nothing in catholicism can be taken at face value. Growing up Catholic, you learn obfuscation, and to work through abstractions of ideas rather than literal ones. Anyone considering the literal words in the bible was considered some kind of idiot zealot barbarian. Frankly we looked down on the rest of the christians who were limited to what was written on the paper. Only the priests could translate the text into what we actually truly believed, and thats what they were good for-- telling us what was meant rather than what was actually written.
Its a system that worked out great when the priests had charisma and could sell it, but when they lacked that personal touch it all fell apart pretty quickly. Being a catholic priest looks hard.
Religion has always been a business plan wrapped up in series of brainwashing techniques. Mystery->Answers used to the a commodity. Not religious? Ostracized from society. If you didn’t know, you paid in, if you did know, you kept your mouth shut and paid in. It was easier to be that showman back in the day, the only mystery left is existential dread, we’re disillusioned with society and government.
yeah I know: just saying most Catholics I know are just pretending to believe so they don’t get ostracised 😅
I’m sure some actually believe it, but they’re definitely in the minority where I’m from.
They don’t teach that it’s literally physically flesh and literally physically blood, it’s still wine and a bread cracker thing, it’s just that they also now have the spiritual essence and properties of the J-man’s divinity. Like, most catholics would be confused that anyone would draw a comparison to say cannibalism, because it’s not literal in the physical sense, just the spiritual. Which admittedly probably doesn’t make much sense unless you’re catholic.
Source: raised in catholic town by catholic family with twelve years of catholic school in which I actually read the bible and the catechism, all of which explain why I’m an atheist. But it’s funny seeing all the (admittedly understandable) misconceptions people have about what catholics believe.
From the outside: it’s all fucking crazy no matter how you spin it.
Oh abso-fuckin-lutely. Too many people believe their imaginary friend is real.
Yeah, that sounds like a lot of rationalization so they don’t have to admit they are participating in ritual cannibalism.
Transubstatiation means that is is NOT symbolic or metaphoric, but that the “essence” is truly the body and blood of Christ, so it really is cannibalism - if you believe in religious magic. I don’t, so I don’t truly believe it’s cannibalism, just a mid-service snack, but devout Catholics do believe in religious magic, so they do believe they are being Cannibals, even if they try to pretend that it’s something else.
Technically it’s the whole change of the substance of the Eucharist which is some sneaky wordplay. It’s even specifically stated the outward characteristics remain unchanged so it’s metaphorical ritualistic cannibalism at most, and even that is a reductive surface level misunderstanding. Any catholic would think you’re kinda dumb for thinking the communion is even related to cannibalism. It’s not considered actual flesh and blood, it’s magic bread and wine that’s magically infused with divinity so when you eat and drink it you more or less reswear your allegiance to the J-dog and his socialist ways. Don’t get me wrong, it’s all still bonkers dumb and logically inconsistent but no catholic theologian will take seriously the claim that it’s actual flesh and actual blood.
Especially since it very obviously does not physically turn into flesh and blood. Any priest with half an eye would see that. It’s reconciling it with what transubstantiation is supposed to do in doctrine that’s the hard part.
Well the doctrine specifies the whole no outward characteristics changing part so it’s just a contradiction, but faith and logic are mutually exclusive.
I don’t understand why anybody does communion or baptism or any of it. I mean, I do because it’s all bonding and stuff, but if you look at the religion on paper, all you need to do is accept Jesus and you’re saved. You don’t even have to go to church!
That depends on the denomination, like that doesn’t fly in catholicism.
demigodgodgodschizoprenic
Get in line in that processional
Step into that small confessional
There the guy who’s got religion’ll
Tell you if your sin’s original.If it is, try playin’ it safer
Drink the wine and chew the wafer
Two, four, six, eight
Time to transubstantiate
