• Tattorack@lemmy.world
    4·
    6 小时前

    I have tasted KFC a few times, and I just can’t believe there are 11 herbs or spices. I’ll believe there are three; salt, a little bit of black pepper, and MSG.

    I swear, I can make better fried chicken at home with less ingredients KFC claims to have, and it’ll actually taste like those ingredients.

    • parricc@lemmy.world
      4·
      4 小时前

      Sure they do. They’ve got a mixture of kosher salt, iodized salt, table salt, canning salt, brining salt, fine grained sea salt, coarse grained sea salt, flake salt, finishing salt, and then a little bit of black pepper, and MSG.

  • MTK@lemmy.world
    4·
    10 小时前

    Yeah but then one of them is “curry powder” and now you have twice as many ingredients!

  • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works
    221·
    1 天前

    The Indian subcontinent has always been blessed with a plethora of spices. The Ottoman capture of Constantinople and fall of the Byzantine empire led to the advent of the the so called Age of Discovery as the Portugese and various “East India trading companies” sought to bypass their tariff implemented on goods shipped through the Middle East and North Africa.

    These very first multinational corporations were so successful that spices became ubiquitous in Europe and eventually lost the prestige of being a foreign luxury for the elite. That change ended up altering the emphasis of certain flavors in European cuisine, with a preference away from using many spices:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/03/26/394339284/how-snobbery-helped-take-the-spice-out-of-european-cooking

    Back in the Middle Ages, spices were really expensive, which meant that only the upper class could afford them. But things started to change as Europeans began colonizing parts of India and the Americas.

    “Spices begin to pour into Europe,” explains Krishnendu Ray, an associate professor of food studies at New York University. “What used to be expensive and exclusive became common.”

    Serving richly spiced stews was no longer a status symbol for Europe’s wealthiest families — even the middle classes could afford to spice up their grub. “So the elite recoiled from the increasing popularity of spices,” Ray says. “They moved on to an aesthetic theory of taste. Rather than infusing food with spice, they said things should taste like themselves. Meat should taste like meat, and anything you add only serves to intensify the existing flavors.”

    “In Europe, meat was considered the manliest, strongest component of a meal,” Laudan notes, and chefs wanted it to shine. So they began cooking meat in meat-based gravies, to intensify its flavor.

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
      1·
      4 小时前

      What’s in-between the lines here is that the newer elite food aesthetic takes substantially more labor, skill, energy, and time. This effectively gate-keeps “simple” food from most people. It’s not until well after the industrial revolution where we see these kinds of meals become more affordable for people.

      So they began cooking meat in meat-based gravies, to intensify its flavor.

      This is a great example of what I’m talking about. Anyone can roast a cut over a fire or just toss raw meat into a stewpot. But a rack of lamb with a rich demi-glace? From scratch, in an 18th century kitchen? And that’s not the only course? Yeah, strap in, because that meal just became an all-day job if you don’t have any help.

    • drolex@sopuli.xyz
      7·
      16 小时前

      Damn, I kinda want to invade and colonise India now, repress freedom movements and cause famines 🤔

      In order to enjoy my chicken, a noble cause

      • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        8 小时前

        Trevor Noah does a hilarious bit about MLK Jr. and his friends going to a white diner after ending segregation which ends with them questioning their choices after tasting the (relatively bland) chicken 😂.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    321·
    1 天前

    The funny thing about South Asia is that they had like 200 unique spices already but they didn’t get capsaicin spices (peppers) until the portuguese brought it from the Americas via trade, and then South Asians immediately slurped it up and bred a ton of varieties as if the 200 wasn’t enough.

    And they went max power too which is how we got Thai bird eye chillis lol.

      • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        1 天前

        It was high for the era, not anymore compared to current meme breeds though lol. Relatively though it still is quite strong. I’d probably say it’s the 2nd or 3rd hottest pepper used fresh and not dried for powder.

        tbf Thais like to use bucketfulls of it which adds up compared to their western neighbors who use the slightly less potent early harvested green and in lower quantitities.

        Also for some reason, a lot of sources erroneously put it super under Habenro peppers which I can tell you first hand is not true. They can easily hit 400k on the scoville scale, but there’s too many similar varieties which are much less potent but still get labelled as Thai chillies because of the shape.

        • Th3D3k0y@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          22 小时前

          I remember going to a Thai place recently opened, and told the server “literally, anything you can do to make it spicy, I want that. You have a 5 scale, I want a 10”. They told the cooks, cooks giggled, came out like 60/40 split on food and pepper, it was delicious.

          • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            19 小时前

            Lol their papaya salad is the same, just a mountain of peppers mixed in with raw papaya. Tasted awesome haha.

    • Impractical_Island@lemmy.world
      38·
      1 天前

      I cannot eat spicy food because it makes my butt burn, but I don’t not believe this is true. I also know that the Asians have a smaller whole set of a lot, and it shows! That’s why I’m trying to find one to date right now, obviously.

  • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zipEnglish
    70·
    1 天前

    Indian recipe be like: cumin powder, coriander powder, garlic powder, and curry powder(which is a mixed of 15 different spices)

      • MonkRome@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        19 小时前

        My understanding is no, they have a leaf called kari (pronounced similar to curry). If you say curry to an Indian born person, they typically think of the leaf, not a spice mix. Common spice mixes are garam masala, chaat masala, tikka, tandoori seasoning, etc. Source: married to an Indian and sometimes pay attention. India is a big place with thousands of cultures so YMMV.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    1 天前

    I love how things like this develop a mystique. The KFC eleven herbs and spices, supposedly on a two-part list kept in separate vaults. The handwritten recipe for Coca-Cola, transported under heavy guard to a new vault in 2011. Donald Trump’s hair elixir formula, kept secret by Epstein until his prison cell suicide during a coincidental random camera malfunction. The list goes on…

      • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        7 小时前

        I dunno but I would assume so because it’s America, where if there’s a cheapened and vastly inferior version of something they’ll use it and rebrand the original as Plantinum Plus.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 小时前

          Nah he just opened a new restaurant with his wife’s maiden name. This is mid 20th century America, so the idea was the cheapest mass producable product of tolerable quality as the only option from the corporation

          • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 小时前

            I call that an American-driven trend - don’t just open a restaurant and make a living selling some popular thing, open 10,000 restaurants selling the cheapest acceptable imitation of the original thing. Instead of blueberry muffins, sell muffins with blue colored bits of grape skins and enough actual blueberry juice to satisfy government regs, cuz FREEDOM™!

  • village604@adultswim.fanEnglish
    20·
    1 天前

    There’s a cooking show on Netflix where the goal is to make complex snacks with limited ingredients (iirc, I’ve watched a bunch) and one Indian woman kept getting chastised because she’d have like 30 ingredients with 20+ being spices.

  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
    35·
    10 小时前

    Just made indian style (not british style) tikka masala. Let’s count em:

    Just for the oil (throw away after oil’s hot):

    1. cinnamon stick

    2. cardamom pods

    3. bay leaf

    Marinade for chicken + the tikka “gravy”

    1. ginger

    2. garlic

    3. chili powder

    4. fenugreek

    5. coriander seed powder

    6. cumin powder

    7. turmeric

    8. Edit: a serrano chili

    9. garam masala

    11 spices + a serrano pepper. But garam masala has like 10 spices in it