• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    9 hours ago

    And for a while during Covid, we beat the 9/11 immediate death toll for several weeks straight, every single day.

    But it didn’t matter one fucking bit, because we care more about optics than numbers.

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      8 hours ago

      The attitude was off the charts odd.

      People yelled. People refused to wear masks. People (non-patients) were hauled out of emergency rooms by security. People accused healthcare of lying about diagnoses. People accused healthcare of being paid off to lie about all covid diagnoses (by whom is far less clear). People went so far as to tear breathing apparatuses off the “loved” one it was helping breathe. People won the country a full hospital ban on visitors that didn’t fully go away until very recently. People died of covid or covid complications and their own people still didn’t believe Covid existed.

      And why? Because they didn’t want to wear a mask? Because they didn’t want to stay home from work when sick? (Remember, everyone mostly dosed themselves with cold medicine and then took their crud into work, infecting everyone, in before times.)

      • turtlesareneat@piefed.ca
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        3 hours ago

        You weren’t paying attention to the alt media igniting and fanning the flames as the pandemic unfolded, it was like Covid itself started broadcasting and posting on forums. Unbelievable shit. Felt like one of those “wacky wednesday” books but with, you know, more people choking to death on their own blood.

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        5 hours ago

        Genuinely speaking, considering this same shit happened in other flus and other public health emergencies, and like look at the ebola thing in Africa rn…

        I think most humans are just big unhappy about things they feel they can’t control, and want to ignore them until they go away. That’s played out historically with doctors just poo pooing germ theory because they didn’t understand how it could be the case, and didn’t care to look into it, even as their own patients died by the dozens.

        and… Look… I’m very uncomfortable saying this because I don’t actually view people this way, but the dumber you are the less you understand the world around you and the less control you likely feel you have over things. The more likely you are to just be obstinate about shit if it goes against what you think you know. People are stubborn because they are stupid and don’t understand what they are fighting with and against. And unfortunately education campaigns aren’t a silver bullet, neither is literally anything, including over 100 years advancement.

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      8 hours ago

      Covid matters but comparing death counts doesn’t exactly mean the deaths in 9/11 didn’t matter. That would be the relative privation fallacy. I wouldn’t shrug it off just cause it was “only 3000 people” or something.

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    6 hours ago

    I’ll be honest, I avoid flying as much as possible. 9/11 is part of the reason; it made flying the most miserable experience. A what should be a 1 hour flight is a 4 hour ordeal.

    Now hear me out on this, flying in Japan is simple and easy and pretty much hassle free, so it’s just flying in the US.

    Flying in the US used to be fun. Now it’s Papers Please.

    If the place is close enough, you may as well drive there. There is every possible hassle you can imagine. Sit in a shit aluminum can; you’re thankful if you get a cup of water and a tiny snack bag (last time I didn’t even get that); you’re subjected to getting a free massage prior to entering after a complementary radiation exposure and a free maybe a reach around, you can’t bring your own drinks, so go ahead and buy the $7 bottle of water, luggage is limited so we can put a skid in the storage bay to make money on shipping, your luggage may or may not arrive, and please be sure to arrive two hours earlier or more in peak seasons so we can let you know your flight is overbooked, so enjoy paying twice to four times for the same shit you can get outside the airport. I hope you like your luggage rummaged through, we do it just for fun now even though there’s xray scanners. Do you enjoy having the most uncomfortable seat possible? Of course you do, now shut the fuck up. There’s more to this rant, but I figure that paint’s the picture.

    So it’s the after affects of 9/11; flying in the US is terrible. I hate it. Don’t get me started when Southwest canceled my flight 6 times and I ended up just driving home with a rental. What a waste of a week.

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      5 hours ago

      Just as bad here in Australia. I hate flying and just don’t do it. Even if the drive is 3 days.

      The worst part is, all these measures are laughably ineffective at preventing anything when it was actually tested, with a 95% fail rate. Security theatre.

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      38 minutes ago

      Clearly we need pitches for a Vending Machine Horror Movie. Titles and directors please, with a short plot summary if you feel like it.

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      5 hours ago

      911 will never mean more to me than how osama bin laden won by getting us to gut a massive amount of our civil rights.

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        5 hours ago

        It definitely brought out the very worst impulses in our people. I still remember the exact number of Muslim students who got ran off campus when I was in college at the time: 47.

      • 🇨🇦 tunetardis@piefed.ca
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        3 hours ago

        Wow. Just for comparison, this is what Wikipedia has to say about Chernobyl:

        long-term death estimates range from 4,000 up to 9,000 (per the 2005 and updated 2006 conclusions of a joint consortium of the United Nations) for the most exposed people of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia, to 16,000 cases in total for all those exposed on the entire continent of Europe, with figures as high as 60,000 when including the relatively minor effects around the globe

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    9 hours ago

    Maybe I can work this fact in the next time I’m going on about how cars are bad for us