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50 y/o: get the fuck out of my cave.
I live in the country.
It’s never peace and quiet. It’s constantly filled with the noise of shitty neighbors blasting music at full volume cause they don’t understand that sound travels. Then there are the gunshots every damn morning from dipshit shooting in their field. I’m constantly worried one day a missed shot is gonna come through my window.
Let’s not even get started on when they brun the fucking fields (sugar cane) and the entire area is covered is astringent smoke and ash.
Living in town, people understood that neighbors exist and at least attempted to be considerate about it; plus, I never had to worry about catching strays. Also, life was so much nicer, not needing to fucking drive everywhere just to do basic things or go get something to eat. Being able to walk or catch a bus was so much more convenient and stress-free than needing to drive myself. I was able to have a lot more free time since I wasn’t spending it on an overlong commute just to get anything done.
56 countries and counting. No I am not couch or hostel surfing. Full time employee with about 1.5 months of vacay, so we travel a lot to every corner of the world. It’s different looking at things in YouTube vs real life.
A decade ago my wife and I quit our jobs packed our kids and stuff and moved 7000kms to our now rural homestead. Our closest neighbor is 2km away. Town and groceries is a half hour drive one way. We have a huge garden and laying hens. We raise our own chickens for meat as well as quail and rabbits. Our kids hunt and fish and play outside. Like we did when we were kids.
It’s fucking amazing y’all.
A 30min drive to town is perfect. That sounds incredible.
If I’m any more than a 15 minute walk to my nearest grocer I consider it hell. Fuck needing to pay insurance, maintenance, and gas costs just to be able to perform basic chores.
Needing to waste an hour just to get groceries sounds so dumb.
We don’t need to go to town. We grow almost all of our own food for the entire year. We don’t need movies or bars or restaurants or even…shocker…full time soul sucking jobs. though we do work for some cash flow. We have the internet and piracy, friends with back yards and basements and we can cook just fine, in fact I used to be a sous chef in a former life and is much of the reasom why we produce our own. We live on less money as a family of five than most single people do. Around ~$25,000/Canadian a year. A family of five.
Our impact is minimal compared to yours I bet, considering all my families food with the exception of a few items comes from the 250 acres of land surrounding my house and we care for that land to ensure we minimize the impact from our agriculture practices as much as we can. We use no motorized equipment and farm using regenerative practices.You probably don’t know or care what that means though. Our farm encompasses 1/4 acre. The site where our 3 bedroom home for, again a family of five, sits and is the size of an average “lawn” or “yard” here.
That land also feeds my sister’s family (4 adults) and my father’s (2 adults). We also provide to our local food bank all season long and barter a lot with our neighbors.
And you wonder why there are monumental societal rifts between rural areas and urban. It’s because of people like you who “know better” but have zero actual knowledge or experience to back it up. Just blathering mouthpieces full of nonsense.
Nice fucking assumptions asshat.
Not like I literally went to college for wildlife conservation and have done entire reports on regenerative agriculture practices. My favorite is multispecies rotational grazing to help incorporate the whole ecosystem into how we cultivate the land. Though, my education spanned much more than just agricultural practices and more on ecosystem health and sustainability on macro scales.
I know much more than you think. I don’t really give a shit about your little bs rant. A lot of the bs you go on about are much deeper societal issues that are not unique to rural or urban life but the very fabric of our interconnected society as a whole. I don’t care about how little money you live your life on. Needing money is a much larger societal issue that needs to be solved and everyone fucking off into the woods to start their own individual homesteads is not how you make a functional society.
Yes, modern city life has issues and industrialized society is environmentally harmful, especially suburbia, but everyone living isolated plots is not sustainable in the slightest. Just because you and your family are able to do it doesn’t mean that everyone can while the entirety of society facilitating the existence of people wanting to live so spread and distanced from each other is causing massive resource drains and itself causes environmental harm in the externalities of facilitating it on a structural level.
As much as you like to imagine you live apart from society out in your little fiefdom, you’re still very much a part of it.
And you draw assumptions as well. I assure you I am a part of my society and fight for the things I believe in. You seem to know me so well you likely already are aware of that yet at the same time you don’t care at all.
I’m glad you studied It’s a smart thing to do. It’s a shame you are so knowledgeable yet so bound to a system that does not work for anyone and wastes the vast majority of its food in the name of capitalism. Your high horse seems to have lost its legs.
We can walk the talk and we do, so we’re pieces of shit for actually doing it. Shake your head.
I even got my ass off the couch yesterday and voted against fascism in Canada, though I don’t believe in the party or person I voted for. I’m probably a piece of shit for doing that too.
Yes, I live in a society. Such a profound statement. Almost like that’s the goal so I put my effort into changing that society instead of thinking I’m so much better for having removed myself from it.
The point is they don’t need to go into town often. They have everything they need on their land. Different people prioritize different things and have different wants.
Our closest neighbor is 2km away.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh that sounds great
Then you start talking about colonizing space and people flip the fuck out
we should totally leave the earth and go to the moon and mars and all that, I just don’t want Elon leading us there. And ofc there is gunna be environmental effects from all those rockets, but ngl if most of humanity left the earth, the earth might be better off
Yea, but like locust, we’d be saving earth and dooming dozens of other planets.
yeah but there’s infinitely many other planets though.
Sounds like you just answered the trolley problem ;)
I live about 15 miles outside of a small town (~20k) in a trailer park on the side of a mountain. Been here 6 months and it is AMAZING. Super quiet at night, can see the stars and it has a great view of the adjacent mountains nearby.
It’ll most likely be awhile, but the plan is to save for a small piece of property with a similar rural location. In my teens and twenties, I used to think that I’d live in the big city, but as I got into my late 30s I couldn’t stand being in the city much. I don’t mind being able to visit occasionally, but city life just isn’t for me anymore. Too big, busy and noisy. Give me a nice, peaceful spot where I can read and enjoy nature quietly.
I relate to this a lot. Grew up in a small town, excitedly moved into a big city when I went to college, then bounced around cities for work for a while, and now that I’m married and have kids, I keep dreaming about living further out where we’d have more space and peace.
Do you get around by walking the old school way, or do you use these newfangled automobiles that are killing the planet?
Well, in these parts we ride bears to and from places. They’re like big, furry tractors :D
Didn’t the Puritans leave England because they really hated the Catholics and wanted to change the Church of England to not be as Catholic but the government of the day told them to fuck off?
Yea, kinda.
More that the Puritans wanted everyone else to confirm to their stricter standards and ethics, and the people at the time were fed up and ran them out.
The Puritans weren’t the only or even primary colonists, but yes that was their motivation. That and their barbaric faith practices were quite literally illegal… in medieval England of all places. Children weren’t even considered people yet but how the Puritans treated them was bad enough to be made illegal.
I have been working for many years to find the right balance for me.
Currently, by day I am a software engineer, but in my off time I am basically a recreational farmer — as in keeper of animals, not gardening. Though, plants are often involved in service of the animals.
I live in suburbia and am pretty ideally located as far as local resources and infrastructure. So I brought a little bit of the wilderness to me. Currently spending a bunch of time on my koi pond.
This is something I will never understand. You want all of the trappings of civilization without being part of it? You want your cake and to eat it too.
Right? That kind of mentality is just selfish. It shows that someone doesn’t know how to live with others and wants to make that everyone else’s problem.
Lol if you want to go live outside of civilization then go ahead; just don’t expect things like electricity, roads, and running water unless you can build it yourself. Facilitating all these antisocial people living out in bumbfuck is a massive drain on resources and fucks things up for the rest of us.
Most of civilization isn’t needed for the good parts to exist. The invention of the steam motor should’ve resulted in a ridiculously sharp decline in population, as most labor was no longer needed to feed the population.
i don’t like most people. i don’t like clutter. i don’t like distractions. i don’t like hassles. i don’t need much. i’m with OP.
The thing that I hate even more about all this, I could afford to do this. But you are not legally allowed to live on your own land in the UK without planning permission. I think it is vaguely comparable to zoning in the US.
Thats what i love about Canada, you can buy land in unorganized townships and can do whatever you want there. The interesting wildlife is just the icing on the cake.
We still have parts where you can disappear into the woods and just sort of fuck off forever. Alaska has the Remote Recreational Cabin Site program as a replacement for the Homestead Act and there’s parts of the state so remote you could essentially do whatever you want and nobody would ever know. Provided “whatever you want” involves freezing in the dark wilderness.
I’m sure some of our other low-density states have similar things going on, and zoning laws vary wildly.
Hey hey hey, the wilderness is only dark in the winter and you won’t freeze to death if you don’t get wet and are wearing modern winter coats+snowpants+gloves.
I didn’t say to death (I did imply it). I have friends in Juneau but they previously lived in some less hospitable places.
If you weren’t rich you couldn’t benefit much from “most advanced civilization” at the time. most of the them were really poor and desperate and gave everything just for ticket across the Atlantic with the hope for a better life.
40 old me looking at a screen with SSMS and Azure: Instead of an engineer like my father I should have been a tailor like my mom… Or a carpenter…
It’s never too late to enter carpentry. I know quite a few programmers who do carpentry as their main hobby. Something about the math and the amount of careful planning is highly transferrable, I guess.
Whenever I try building something with wood, I get so frustrated that it’s not version controlled. In software, I can fearlessly try dumb stuff because I can just roll it back if it didn’t work.
3D printing and CAD may be the hobby for you then!
Creating anything physical requires a lot of practice, and practice really only works if you make mistakes and then learn from them.
Just have to accept that you will waste a lot of wood getting that practice. Heck, a lot of woodworking practice is repetition of the basics before trying to make something with those skills. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of hobbled together ugly stuff that still works like my stuff.
Not catching very slight warping in boards is my weakness.
Engineer your design in FreeCAD and tweak it before you build.
Assuming you can afford all the stuff to do it.
Which most software engineers can
Nah fuck carpentry. You’ll just end up destroying your body to make shit money.
I mean I was referring to having a shop in your garage so you can build furniture, but you’re not wrong. Construction carpentry is one of the more intense trades I’ve seen.
I mean you can do it as a hobby though.
This isn’t brick laying or plastering. Carpentry is an easy job on the body.
Tell that to my dad’s hips, knees, and back
If you think carpentry is easy on the body I can tell you’ve never worked for or as a carpenter before.
In either case carpentry is a massive world. There is a lot more to being a carpenter than making furniture. If that’s all you’re doing as a carpenter than I would argue that you aren’t much of a carpenter and your experience is highly limited.
To me this is like calling yourself a computer engineer because 2 hours a week you write Visual Basic code in an excel spreadsheet.
lol what.
No.
I work in tech. But (long story) started with a few years of carpentry/joinery. It is not easy on the body, unless you’re just making small boxes or cabinets. And even then, it’s still not really that easy.
It can be easy on the body provided one has cash to get and wear safety gear. Too many people depend on a cheap employer for their safety.
Buy good gear. Use jigs. Protect hearing.
It’s a big assumption that you can rely on power/bench tools. At some point you’re going to have to get the chisels, plane etc out.
Good gear doesn’t save your knees, hips, shoulders, and wrists.
True. Good gear is not a “freepass”. Bad gear is extra hard on the body.
What is so bad with plastering? I would have thought that one isn’t too bad.
The pressure to get it done now now now. The overwork. Ignoring safety regulations because they’re fucking annoying.
US defaultism strikes again, is this carpentry as in building houses or carpentry as in building furniture?
Joiner
Furniture or whatever you can make in a single location like garage or maker space, no engineer thinks of joining construction work
There are some days tho dude.
Some days
A carpenter (at least in the UK) is going to be expected to be able to replace or repair joists, sash or bay windows, lats and other roofing and wall structures. Indoors or out.
Don’t be a carpenter. Splinters.
At 35 I’m beginning to realize it’s good I don’t have an office job. Finnaly found a good employer and happy driving through the country.
CongraFuckinLations I officially envy you.
After traveling all over for work, having freedom to somewhat set my own schedule as long as I meet deadlines, I know I would lose my mind in a traditional office.
There’s not much I hate more work-wise than sitting around after the work is done so you can get your hours, because someone on the crew thinks that’s more moral than leaving and they’re a snitch.
Honestly I am thankful all the time that people are able to find jobs that suit them best. I am a graphic designer by trade, and working from home has basically been the greatest creative boon I’ve ever had in my life, lol. The routine, access to nature, and just general lack of distractions has been incredible.
They forgot the whole genocide thing which is kinda necessary for this to work out
Also the whole industrialization, privatization, and rise of capitalism thing in Europe that led to successive waves of emigrants leaving or being coerced from their homelands. I think in general people don’t leave their communities and families without some kind of direct or indirect violence.
This is why we colonise space, at least the planets without aliens living there.
Almost every colony ever: gets oppressed and exploited, fights for independence, gains sovereignty, becomes either a tense ally or a hostile rival to their former empire
Earthlings: “maybe we should colonize space”
Seriously? Most of the world today are colonies of the rich parts. We just don’t say it that way.
Have fun up there i guess
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So you want to send those undesireable people somewhere else? Maybe to conserve your way of living?
If by undesirable you mean I desire instead to keep living, and by conserve my way of living you mean I just get to continue breathing - then yes. They try to kill me, there’s no moral limit on what I can rightfully do in return if they don’t succeed. Including rocket them off to planet conservative before they get another shot.
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I mean if it would’ve been empty land it could’ve worked likes this. I don’t think genocide is a necessary part of it
Also homesteads weren’t exactly a great place to be. No infrastructure and tornado heaven. People lived there because it was their only choice.
Do people here know who this Fat Electrician guy is? Because I’m vaguely familiar with him and his YouTube channel and my instinct is that the majority of us here on lemmy were rather the opposite of him at 15 (libertarian phase or some other antisocial ignorance) and now around 30+ years old the disposition is much more ‘the modern city is in so many ways a marvel of cooperation and achievement.’
From my encounters he is a ‘society bad, the end’ type and not at all a ‘capitalism bad’ type. I guess that is lumpen proletariat? Anyway I’d love to be proven wrong but I was already too red flagged and turned off to dig further into his content.
