• mabeledo@lemmy.world
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    Love it when they state so clearly that promotions are a byproduct of office politics, not actual work performance.

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      This isn’t exactly news.

      But it also misses what a “promotion” means in theory (more autonomy and control, resources to pursue projects, underlings) versus what it means in practice (a token title change and a small raise with a ton of extra responsibility in an underperforming section of the firm).

      So much of how you make progress in a business is to turn lemons into lemonade and sell that lemonade to your bosses.

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    Got it. Show up to work so you can kiss your bosses ass often and in person so that they give you a promotion solely based on your in person ass licking.

    Sounds to me like a broken system that promotes based on the wrong metrics…

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    Year 1: “incredibly productive”

    Year 5: “not about the work”

    I love how they freely admit that it has nothing to do with being good at your job and everything to do with schmoozing.

    Like that’s really the purpose of the company… manufacturing schmooze, so we need good schmoozers

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    Year 3: From your home office, you spearhead multiple high level projects which triple the billable hours of your department. You are not in the office enough to lick the asshole of your manager so Bob the intern gets the promotion. Bob will be paid entry level salary and really knows how to get the tongue deep in that brown hole.

    Year 4: Enough is enough. You quit that stupid job and secure a job with a company that values performance based promotions and raises. No one knows anything about your projects and when you leave they whither on the vine.

    Year 5: You run into Bob at the pub. He says management converted the office to AI and everyone got fired.

    Year 6: You chuckle when you drive by that company you used to work for and find the building is now for lease and the company is in bankruptcy.

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        Left a job of 10 years, project lead senior engineer, because fuckers FAFO’d an RTO. Of a team of 5, I was one they expected to stay because I was “close to the office”. I was the first one to find a new, full time remote job.

        Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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      I’m sure there is a little truth to it sometimes but one big thing this ignores is that many of us have always had remote coworkers because our employer has multiple offices in different cities, countries, and continents around the world. I’m not worried about someone who’s in the office with my boss passing me by because that’s a tiny minority of everyone we work with anyway.

      Interestingly, this is also why WFH has held up at the company where I work. Even when you go in to the office, you spend half the day on zoom. Our company has consolidated floors, closed whole offices and entire campuses to reduce the amount of real estate it pays to maintain. There’s a lot of savings in it for them. And our CEO has said that he likes how remote work makes it trivial to get the entire leadership team together for a conversation because they aren’t all flying around the world constantly, inaccessible for days at a time because they’re traveling. They do make in person visits, but don’t live on planes like they used to. They also did the math and they exceeded their 10 year goal for climate reduction overnight just by going to remote.

      There are so many benefits for the company as well as the employees that I’m really confused why some companies go all RTO. Probably they just don’t have good systems in place to know who’s doing their job. We do.

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      How is that bullshit? People do like to give promotions to other people they like, sometimes irrelevant of talent. Look at literally all non-democratic governments.

      And it’s no secret random conversations not about work happen a lot more in person. These are the kind of conversations that make friendships, not the 1 on 1 with your manager on teams.

      This is why most sane companies don’t force you to do 4 days but instead make it so that if you only have to do 2 days at the office, they’re the same 2 days of the week for everyone to avoid the situation in this post.

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        So incompetent management promoting the people who suck up to them (their “friends”) rather than based on results and how well people are competing their tasks.
        Sounds like a shit company/manager to work for. Better off finding another job.

        Also, people tend to get promoted faster by switching employers. Don’t fall for the lie of “company loyalty”.

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    “You got the promotion, yet somehow your quality of life is shittier because you are spending 1/4th of your net pay on gas and eating out and child care and you had to get rid of your dog because you are not around enough to properly handle an animal, plus you have 10 hours less free time during the week because of your commute.”

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    Does linkedin they also have instructional infographics on how to get a raise or promotion by blackmailing or extorting your boss?

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    If it isn’t about the work then TF is it about?

    I go to work for MONEY. You pay to make you MONEY. For me to make you money, you need me to WORK

    It is about the work.

    Now pay me more

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      It’s not wrong, but what it describes is ethically wrong in my opinion. Raises and promotions are less about work performance and more about performative theatre. Being chummy with management is often a better predictor of upward career trajectory.

      Any decent manager knows better, but many managers became such by schmoozing their way up, so the cycle of incompetence continues.

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        Upper management isn’t only about the work.

        Yeah you can do the work, but also probably the person in the office can also do the work.

        If the person in the office is the one interacting with the upper management more and the work is being done equally well between them and some unknown person that works remotely why would they hire the person you do not know?

        The management position / next level probably entails more people skills and dealing with people so someone you have hardly ever spoken to might not have those skills but the person in the office they know can at least deal with people well.

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    Not having a conversation with my supervisor for months at a time is literally the dream.

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      If I didn’t have to explain the same exact shit I did last week in the 4th different way and have you still not understand, BUT still want to…

      I appreciate that you want to understand, but I recognize you won’t and that is okay. You don’t need to know the details to take credit for the work. Your insistence to understand is wasting all of our time and most of my productivity.

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    Whoever came up with this has probably always used ‘optics first, actual results last’ in their shitty career so far.

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    The secret to this is not believing in the promotion fairy.

    If you want a promotion, apply for it at another company. If you get it, awesome, if you don’t, try at a 3rd company.

    At my current job, the agreement is I do the job you hired me for, and you give me the money and benefits we agreed upon.

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    Year 1: incredibly productive

    So if productivity is up why are we going up hybrid in the first place?

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      I’ve been remote since 2013. We said “distributed” because it was important that we didn’t have a central office. This kind of thing happened much less. A company can do distributed well.

      That hasn’t held up forever. Because, well, gestured wildly at entire sub.

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    Promoted twice since I last saw my boss in person. I asked him if would see any issue himself or for the company if I relocated myself back across the country closer to family; he was confused as to why I even asked.

    He’s not even a particularly good boss in most ways, but tons of people want to work for him because he stays the fuck out of their way.

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        What’s that old quote from some famous guy “I just surrounded myself with people who were smart and interested in the company success then got out of there way”… It was something like that

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          Honestly, this is the real underrated trick. A great manager removes blockers. Their job is first and foremost to get shit off the train tracks.

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            I had a manager who wanted to know what we did. Understand it. Really get into the info, because only then could she really lead us, she thought.

            Worst manager I had for a long while. She didn’t understand anything and was easily annoyed by it. We were software engineers, she some media marketing whatever person. That ain’t gonna happen.

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          Yeah. The one time you actually need a manager is when you have some fuck-up of a coworker who’s making things worse for everybody.