• ZeroCool@piefed.ca
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      6 days ago

      It’s not much of a mystery. Men decided women shouldn’t be allowed to compete against them. That’s why.

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        No they got rid men-only tournaments in the 1980s. Women can enter “men’s” (now called open) tournaments now, just not the other way around. Women’s tournaments exists because open tournaments are still almost entirely male events and male chessplayers are just like any other males. So they want to encourage women to play chess by giving them a way to stay away from us while they play. It’s understandable imho.

        US Chess (the US federation) allows trans players in women’s tournaments with the rule that you can only transition once (details: https://new.uschess.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/us-chess-transgender-policy.pdf ). FIDE (the international federation) doesn’t allow MTF in women’s events iirc. The biggest chess country is still Russia and so Russia has a big influence on FIDE policy and the FIDE president (Arkady Dvorkovich) is from there. So you can’t really blame this one on Trump if you have a problem with it. Maybe talk to Putin.

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          No they got rid men-only tournaments in the 1980s.

          Did I say otherwise? I simply gave an explanation as to why “gendered chess tournaments” were ever a thing in the first place. I’m not sure what you think you’re disagreeing with me about.

          So you can’t really blame this one on Trump if you have a problem with it.

          When did I do that? Okay, I’m beginning to think you didn’t even read my comment before replying.

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            5 days ago

            As a buttinsky bystander, I think the Trump mention was more general just because he does ruin pretty much everything, but you are spot-on about the origin of gendered tournaments.

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            6 days ago

            As is usual in a public discussion, the thread including my post isn’t entirely about you.

            FWIW I wasn’t around when gender separated tournaments started (1800s?) and I doubt you were there either. So neither of us knows for sure what was going on. I’d be interested in contemporaneous historical sources but am not particularly impressed by present-day internet randos spouting off.

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              Well, nothing you’ve said is relevant to my comment, so perhaps you shouldn’t have replied to me? We’re done here.

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                6 days ago

                Maybe you should avoid posting in public forums if you don’t like the responses.

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          5 days ago

          I’m not really disagreeing with your main points, but ZeroCool gave the correct answer to the BCsven’s question as to how they came to exist.

          As Wikipedia put it:

          “Women were generally not permitted to join chess clubs until the early 1900s. Once allowed in, they were largely limited to competing against other women.”

          That weasel-wording ought to be:

          “Chess clubs were run and funded by men, who did not permit women to join until the early 1900s. Once the men allowed women in the club, they didn’t allow them to play against men, only among themselves.”

          Women couldn’t own property and any money they had belonged to their husband or father so they had to accept these rules.

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            4 days ago

            So, vibes?

            No one actually said “no gurlz aloud”?

            I’m not saying there’s zero bias, but this just sounds made-up. Why make up something when there’s plenty of explicit bias?