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        It is included in the guardrails for my orgs copilot integration. Surprisingly, it still hallucinates.

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        I went to a conference a few months ago and the very first speaker gave the following advice with a straight face to a room full of professional software engineers: “Your biggest limitation on your productivity is going to be token management, so just buy as many tokens as you can so you won’t even have to think about it.” And that guy, supposedly, didn’t work for OpenAI or Anthropic.

        I kind of hope he’s at least getting kickbacks because I would rather he be a secret corporate AI shill than just a submissive gimp for dommy mommy AI industry attempting to recruit more paypigs to her flock. At least that would have more dignity.

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          i always wondered what they are peddling at these AI conferences, we have them almost daily here in the west. im not really surprised they have a hired “spokesman” to do it, are the engineers buying into this? or they know full well the AI isnt shit?

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            Well, the unfortunate truth is AI is an extremely useful tool for software engineering. I’ve gotten to where I use it most days and it has made some tasks waaaay easier and faster.

            But it’s not a silver bullet that solves all your problems and replaces an engineer that understands their projects, business needs, context, inter-team dependencies and agreements, risk mitigation, etc. And we also understand that it will never be cheaper than it is right now and getting too dependent on a tool that may be prohibitively expensive in the future is unwise.

            If I were an independent contractor, paid by the job, building a bespoke self contained application for someone where they give me all the context I need for it, I’d 100% be using AI to do the majority of the coding and testing. Get the job done fast and move on. But throwing all of your money at it like it will solve all your problems is just moronic, particularly when you work at an enterprise scale where literally no individual person can give the AI the full context of all our systems.

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      “Write program worth 1 million dollars. Do not hallucinate. No mistakes. Good code only. Make secure. No vulnerabilities. Follow all standards. No spaghetti code. No anti-patterns. No deprecated dependencies. Runs fast, and cheap, and completely functionally. Does what it is supposed to. Minimize token use.”

      Perfect. Iron-clad. Let the profits commence.

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    It’s amazing how these people can essentially burn billions, trillions combined, even, of dollars on very avoidable mistakes and it’s a “whoopsie” but you ask for a fraction of it to go to the citizens and it’s “a waste of money” or “might not work despite all the evidence from elsewhere”.

    And then also the execs get a few million dollars a year in bonuses and such because they’re “so smart and important.”

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    Imagine all the recalls they didn’t do because being sued and settling costs less

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      That’s not actually how recalls (usually) work. Companies don’t unilaterally decide when a recall happens or not.

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        If Monsanto can hide the fact that they paid off scientists to say Glyphosate is safe for 30 years when they knew it caused cancer, I don’t know whether I can trust that. I’m sure they have ways to hide recalls to deny, delay, and defend the process…

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        That depends on how many political “contributions” the company has made.

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    So scary to realize these business barrons have zero qualms with putting our lives in the hands of untested technology to make a few more buck to light their already full coffers and that it’s already happening with AI

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      It’s because their positions are often like that “rest of the owl” drawing meme, only it makes sense to them because other people do the filling in of the details and solving the problems. So when an AI can produce the early part of that drawing and confidently promises that it can fill in the rest of the owl, they see it as the same as what their teams were doing prior and unironically believe that them saying “ok, go do that” is the important part, so an LLM should be as competent as a team of engineers.

      It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.

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          Conversations about AI aside for a moment, God bless random trade dudes making YouTube videos. Thanks to them, I’ve learned about 80% of most jobs can be picked up with minimal training.

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        It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.

        This was my take until even this year, but honestly it has improved since a year or even six months ago.

        It still lies to you and needs to be given pointers constantly, and many other caveats, but the reality is that all of the investment and coming up with the failure loop perfected by Claude Code changed things IMO.

        It’s really depressing to think about how all of these rich fucks set a trillion dollars on fire to eliminate one of the only good paying careers available. It’s almost like it’s time to riot or something. 🤷

        I still don’t think that means the c suite will be able to fire all of the programmers. It’ll still be the nerds’ job to get the robot to produce the software. It’s likely just going to make life more miserable for the remaining programmers because more and more will be expected of less of them.

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      The American business model is obsessed with cutting costs to raise profits. Increasing market share and developing new streams of revenue all have an investment cost and take time. Cutting labour has no immediate cost and it makes line go up for the next quarter, and that’s what their compensation packages are dependent on.

      That’s why the idea of AI is so attractive to pretty much every CEO, it’s the business hack to reduce labour cost that they’ve been looking for since we outlawed slavery.

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      Just look at the workers rights movement. Capitalists can, and will crush you like an plump ant under their boot. It’s only regulation that gives them a moment’s pause.

      No company ever has your best interest at heart.

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      It’s scary, but also very unsurprising. Companies haven’t seen their workers as actual human beings for many years. That’s the bigger problem that is behind all of this.

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      they are hoping to make money, before someone else holds the bag, its not thier problem if they can kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.

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      Yeah but could you imagine if one of Ford’s executives could only afford ONE yacht??? UNTHINKABLE

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    The people responsible for this obviously stupid mistake were replaced, right? Right?

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    There was a brief time in the early 90s when Object-Oriented Programming was still new to the business world. Clueless managers thought it meant somebody could draw a box labeled “Do Payroll” and somehow software would appear. They’re doing that same thing now with AI.

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    Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.

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    🤣 How Ford Is Embracing AI To Drive Innovation In The Automotive Industry

    Nov 23, 2025, 04:58pm EST

    Today, Ford is betting on the next stage of technology innovation–AI. With annual revenues of $185 billion, Ford ranks 19 on the Fortune 1000, and markets automobiles and commercial vehicles across the globe. So, how does a company that pioneered an earlier era of innovation adopt the next wave, manifested by artificial intelligence (AI), to optimize its business operations for the next generation of customers?

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      It’s funny. I was on the Detroit factory tour in August, and it was all about the human factor and how great it is to have human expertise and skill behind Every FORD Truck.

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        Interesting. The PR team seemed to have got it at the local level. Maybe the AI bit from the article I posted was trying to reach the money people. I’m guessing the money people don’t buy Fords as a rule.

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          Well the article’s from November, and they probably didn’t touch the tour script before then. It’s just funny how in a few months things have gone so tits-up.

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    Let’s be clear. The blame shouldn’t be on AI but on the fuckwads that made the decision to replace humans.

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      No it should also be on the AI. Its a useless fucking sloptool and those that use it should be ridiculed as well.

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    When a car company has this many recalls, it should be enough to automatically ban all of their unsold vehicles from the streets. Until they pass several inspections and audits.

    Who knows how many people died or were irreversibly injured due to at least 11 million faulty cars. That number is still probably on the low end.

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      Bingo.

      If I were one of those engineers then the only way they’d get me back is by offering me a shit ton more cash.
      And even then I’d be actively looking for another job asap because, let’s face it, the next time a Ford corporate goon feels they could fire me and replace me with a bag of shit to make their profit line go up then they would do in a heartbeat.

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        Not sure how it works where you are but in my country companies had started this trend where they began laying off “overpriced” programmers programmers who’d been hired in the dotcom boom, had remained loyal employees for decades and (here’s the real point) were reaching retirement age. They ‘offer a package’ (early retirement) and then manage out anyone who didn’t take it. Comes to pass that these devs have such deep domain expertise alongside their technical abilities that the majority of them get hired back as consultants at what amounts to a name-your-rate deal. Learn from us. Take the package and go freelance.

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      Hell yeah, they did something similar at Kohl’s. Some dip shit executive who doesn’t understand how life works because he’s neppo baby had a suggestion to save the company MILLIONS.

      Fire all the loss prevention people and that will pay for the theft currently happening. Dip shit didn’t realize they were actually doing something, and theft went up 5x in under 6 months once people figured out they could walk in, grab a duffle bag, fill it with Nike/UA/whatever and just walk out. They’re not allowed to even call the cops.

      Bro got a 2 million dollar bonus, and now they can’t hire LP back because they obviously moved on.

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        They should try the same thing with the police. Since crimes happen anyway what’s the point in paying for them?

        Although if you’re firing US police the crime rate may actually go down.

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        our bougie version of trader joes is doing this right now. shoplifters security, cant even be followed by hired security anymore, the homeless usually heroin and meth addicts just come in snatch stuff like no tomorrow. at this point there isnt a reason to have the security anymore. now you cant snatch the item back, talk to them in a “aggressive way” or pretend like you are blocking them.

        the city kept clearing the “homeless/drug addict” areas, and they have swarmed the area since.

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    They will fire these people again the minute they get AI working the way they want it. They better be getting extra compensation for returning.

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      buying time so they can force the “returned employees” to train south america,eastern european and some indian tech engineers and then fire the american ones.