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Take everything bad Obama did. Make it happen in one day. That’s a Tuesday for Trump.
My vote is for ‘doing fuck-all regarding Citizens United’.
Oh and not getting rid of the PATRIOT ACT.
… when the Dems had a trifecta, and he could have done it, if he cared to.
The dems having a trifecta does not mean that he has absolute power in deciding what to do with it. If it doesn’t fly with the democrats as a whole, he can try, but would fail.
Let’s be honest, the democrats as a whole would never have gone along with getting rid of the PATRIOT Act.
Yet when Republicans have one they get everything they want passed.
Because the whole party wants it.
The posed question was what would history remember about his presidency.
It was not ‘why is this the case / how did that happen’.
You’re rationalizing.
You’re not ‘wrong’, but you’re rationalizing.
Yep, he/they did not have absolute power.
But that was the peak of their power - look what they did and did not do with it.
They sold out the country, continued the selling out of the country… and effectively presided over the main event that literally formalized selling out the country.
Hopefully I don’t need to explain that the President typically has a very large impact on the policies and politics of their party.
I don’t think history will remember that he did not do something, especially something that he had no power to do. He’ll be remembered for what he did.
Certainly not when one of their own wrote most of it
I also won’t forget that Russia and China did not vote against the intervention.
It sickens me how people still deify him in this country. Obama was and is a motherfucker, just fairly well-packaged and with great PR overall.
Every president is a mother fucker. Since the beginning and until the end.
It’s my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of 'em was one kinda sombitch or another.
Libya was his biggest mistake. The mildly redeeming thing about it is that he admits that and that his intention wasn’t bad.
You compare that to the current leadership of the USA and it suddenly seems a lot less bad.
It’s not less bad, it’s the same bad just a different color
I’m going to force feed you your next meal.
Would you like a bowl of shit?
Or would you prefer a bowl of rusty, red-hot nails covered in arsenic?
Oh silly me, you probably consider them the same.
I know liberals hate being told they are being served shit while they are lapping it up in fear they will lose their bowl of shit if they speak out against it being shit
Oof
I mean, most people will probably remember him as one of the presidents of the United States?
Honestly… probably. The first black president is kinda memorable, and while the other persons post might be true, along with other things, seems most likely to be that.
I was joking about how the question subtly says [at the end of the question] “as president”?
Butcher of Libya?
Wasn’t that Muammar Gaddafi?
Hmmmm.
Obama did some decent things domestically but he was pretty bad about killing middle easterners so I’ll say it’s both of them
Both.
I mean Obama definitely got more Libyans killed than Gaddafi.
Ehhh, not so sure of that. Gaddafi was no saint and was known from the time I was little (in the 1970’s) to be a brutal military leader.
I recall when this came out, it had shit in it that went far beyond what many believed he’d done.
I get it: AmeriKKKa = bad…
However… there are plenty of leaders and governments just as bad in their own ways.
Okay so I’m not sure what you’re even talking about here. If your point is that internal repression is in any way comparable to armed conflict, then yeah no that’s just nonsense. I’m not defending Gaddafi here, but almost literally anything else would’ve been better than what Libya has right now. Unless you have a source that Gaddafi was somehow deadlier than the civil wars that took place after his NATO-backed overthrow, in which case go ahead.
Ah, yeah… you’re correct. contextually, that you were referencing the civil war and the total numbers of dead, then yeah. (this was not made clear) The shitstorms thrown up since Gaddafi took power decades ago, then was overthrown - in toto, are huge. No argument on that.
Gaddafi was no saint
Bit of an understatement. You generally don’t die by deserved bayonet sodomy for not reaching sainthood
In fact, saints kinda tended to die horribly…
The average american tends to justify any horror perpetrated by the US military and its commander in chief if he is going to be a decent president with domestic policies
And with Obama, we didn’t even get the decency or good domestic policies either.
Just pretty speeches and excuses.
Not sure here but among the other things I remember he campaigned with the promise to close guantanamo bay, thing that he didn’t?
Nope, and even more fun, he actually made
enhanced interrogation techniquestorture explicitly legal via EO on a New Years Day holiday. (I forget which one.)
yes! goddamnit I hate it
Anyone defending the black Reagan might want to review his time as president
Wanna read this but it requires a Twitter account
I got you fam
Yes, one day relief from Twittler and Lemmy posts about this.
Way to steer the narrative.
Your first factually correct post! Congratulations.
He did thousands of acts but you take concern with 1 or 2 of them…
You can mention things like expansion of health care, the complete absence of scandals,… or you myopically focus on a single act of the armed forces.
Cut your nose off, just to spite OUR face. Or you could stop with your ignorant bullshit.
You deserve everything Trump does.
Not as a tankie, but as someone who’s has to use the Healthcare Marketplace… Obamacare suuuuuuucks. It’s not socialized medicine or expansion of care or accessibility at all - it’s just further entrenchment of corporate profiteers.
I agree, but that’s more on Joe Lieberman than the president. Dems in general fucked up handling that time/opportunity. But as President Obama advocated for any and all expansion of access to healthcare.
Compare that less than perfect handling to 8 years of Trump and all they can say is drone drone drone.
You can mention things like […] the complete absence of scandals
So you’re telling me, you completely forgot about his tan suit?
Or the time he had the gall to ask for spicy mustard instead of good ol’ American yellow mustard?
True
You should work on your black and white thinking
You can mention things like expansion of health care, the complete absence of scandals,… or you myopically focus on a single act of the armed forces.
Yeah all those slaves being sold in slave markets in Tripoli should really love the expansion of healthcare, maybe you should tell them about it.
Oh, just so there’s no mistake: You are a terrible human and I sincerely hope Trump throws you into a concentration camp.
Angryposting ♨️
That’s right, as now, for example, it’s terrible to hear American citizens complain about soaring gas prices as children die under the double-tap bombing of their army.
You sound like you need more wine.
Did the propaganda allow you to forget him bombing doctors without borders? Obama was the first novel peace prose recipient to bomb another peace prose recipient.
That he stopped a bomb nearly every 20 minutes of 2016?
Drones a hospital and wedding?
Did nothing about Citizens United?
You might want to review his tenure as president
No amount of good stuffs can redeem the destruction of an state
Hey that’s fucking great, what do you remember Hitler for?
Solid downvotes by solid morons.
