False equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn’t mean they are equally bad. I’m the same vein, they might not be as left as you’d like, but they are certainly more left than the magats.
If the weight of the Democratic party isn’t sufficient anymore, it’s because Republicans have taken control over everything. And since they are being the fascist party, I doubt they would let any progressive party gain enough ground to do anything after that.
Voters should rub brain cells together and vote for far and away the better option, even if that option is awful at promoting themselves and adapting to changes in their base.
First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues, it’s just that populist leftists consider anything less than maximal alignment “betrayal”.
Second, Trump’s support is plummeting thanks to his disastrous administration, Democrats are poised to sweep the midterms, and it’s a safe bet the next 2 years will be even worse and result in a win in 2028. The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.
First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues,
Don’t lie. They betray the left on wages, worker protections, immigration, trans rights, cannabis legalization, healthcare, wall street reform, police reform, abortion, the Iraq war, the bank bailouts, childcare, family leave, voting rights, I can keep going but you get my point.
Not only do they do all of that shit, they support an unconscionable genocide in Gaza.
Not only that, they do everything they can to ratfuck any progressive candidate.
The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.
The genocide wing said that in 2024 and now they blame the left.
Brah, Biden was out their saving pension funds, capping healthcare costs for diabetics, strengthening Medicare, and conditioning grant funding on providing good working conditions, wages, and affordable child care. He spent trillions and put worker protections and benefits into everything he passed.
The guy was the most pro-worker US president I’ve ever seen.
I actually don’t think you can keep going tbh, because it really looks like you scraped the barrel for every grievance and buzzword you have. Plus you mentioned Wall Street reform and bank bailouts separately, which seems like padding. Half of them prove my point because the Republicans are to blame.
As for Gaza, I think you are a disgusting person for bringing it up in this conversation considering how many Palestinians would likely still be alive if Harris had won. Imagine trying to both sides with that issue of all things.
And as far as I’m concerne, nobody needs to “rat fuck” progressives because they are perfectly capable of eating themselves at every opportunity.
You said that like it’s a bad thing compared to doubling down on trumps
It can be a bad thing without being worse than trump, but you can’t pretend I’m a trumpist for not worshiping whatever genocidal shit you demand unquestioning devotion to any other way.
Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with don’t make sense here in the outside world?
Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.
Yeah, that’s not a surprise. I understand that the past couple decades of history aren’t netanyahu’s slightest whims, so you can be forgiven for not paying attention to them. You see, the ACA is based on a plan that was put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Since it’s not AIPAC, I’ll have to let you know what that is too. The Heritage Foundation is a republican think tank. They tell republicans (and centrist democrats) what their policies are.
Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan.
And the democratic caucus killed the public option without republicans getting involved.
That’s awesome
It would have been if your wing of the party didn’t think that more people going bankrupt and dying wasn’t preferable. Great work.
The party has been coasting on this for 15 years and meanwhile healthcare has only gotten worse.
You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-climate-and-pro-worker/
The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.
Nice cherry pick, followed by bullshit. Also are you trying to say “tongue”, but in an English as a second language kind of way? Kinda sus.
Now, you say “killed”, but that’s not true because it still exists at its previous level. Biden just boosted it during covid, plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short. Just another example of Dems trying, and Republicans wasting oxygen.
Either way the point still stands, Biden was the most pro-worker president I’ve ever seen, and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don’t know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.
The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.
They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.
They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.
Well, no, it wasn’t in the comic because the conversation is derived from the comic. Do you normally think conversations stay rigidly on only one thing? If you bring up Democrats, naturally Republicans are going to be talked about.
Republicans are worse and I’ll never deny that. That doesn’t give democrats license to be as evil as they want to be as long as they’re the lesser evil. And to a lot of Americans, myself included, it looks like democrats are doing just that.
The last election demonstrated that they cannot get away with that behavior. That isn’t me purity testing. That’s me observing what happened. And I think that if the democrats keep acting like Lucy with the football, they’ll get the same results.
Democrats have not only lost the trust of their voters, they have earned their active distrust.
And their current actions aren’t exactly helping to repair trust. Ousting David Hogg, refusing to release the 2024 autopsy, interfering with the primary for Maine’s 2nd district. All of these point to a party that cannot be trusted.
I don’t ever hear anything about what democrats need to do in order to repair that trust and get back the disaffected voters they’ve lost. Just screaming at people with any criticism, regardless of how they voted.
I get that. I really do. I’d love it if they were better. But I’ll ask what I asked elsewhere: So what’s your solution with the situation we have right now, in regards to voting?
1- vote Republican, the overt fascist, white nationalists take over.
2- vote third party, they lose, either Republicans win or a Democrat might win, though doing that might help Republicans win.
3- don’t vote, and who knows who wins, though not voting trends to help Republicans.
4- vote Democrat, even though they suck, so that Republicans don’t win. The capitalist, not white nationalists win.
Depends on how relative do you want to be. Are they actually left wing? No, not really, center-right at best. But if you talk about American politics, then there is a left wing and a right wing, relatively, and Dems are what constitute as left, by definition.
I bloody love the state of discourse here, immaculate. You fuckers can’t read for shit, but the worst part you don’t seem to even try. I just hope you at least get some sort of satisfaction out of that, otherwise it would be even more sad, really.
It’s not 1792. Things change over time. Saying that these two parties are the same because they started for the same reason is really ignoring what’s happening today.
Never said they were left. I said they were the only viable opposition party (as in, opposition to the Republicans) and that they are more left than MAGA.
And also, so what? Are you saying we should let the far right win?
The opposition to a Right wing party is not a far right wing party. The Democrats do not oppose any Republican policies except for the issues invented to distract (trans, abortion, etc.). Any issues that put corporations over people, both parties are fully aligned.
Ok, yes, they are aligned with capital. Saying trans rights and abortion rights are just a distraction is pretty dismissive of people actually dealing with the consequences of Republican policies though. If you’re saying you can’t tell the difference then you’re actively ignoring problems minorities are facing and I can’t help you pull your head out of the ground.
That’s their job on the tag team. One side stands for “the right”, it can be Ds or Rs (they have switched sides a couple times).
You’re not stopping one by voting in the other. You’re not preventing harm.
I will vote Democrat in the upcoming election… but know the game, and the players. The Ds aren’t going to fix anything, they are damage control (for now).
Vote D! But open your eyes and watch what they do. It’s a POLL, a barometer.
I mean, yeah. I feel that is shifting though, because now we’ve got MAGA and full on white supremacists in power, so it’s kinda not the same as it was with “oh yeah they are both the same” like the 90s and 00s.
The point of the meme is that it is the situation we are in where neither party is doing anything to help workers.
So you think we should let the people who want to do maximal harm have office. Got it.
In the elections since Reagan was elected president both dnc and gop have rushed farther right. We’re at the point dnc and dems are trying to run as the party and ideals of saint reagan.
Neither party gives a shit about workers and everytime that is brought up we get shit like this said that oh well you just want the GOP to win
Bruv, everyone knows neither party gives a shit about workers. And nobody likes the Democrats, not even Democrats.
No one is here saying Democrats are great. I am most definitely not saying Democrats are great. I have no love for the doormat party.
Buuuuuut
The reality of the situation we’re in right now, as things are, is that they are, effectively, the only other political party than Republicans. The Green party, libertarians, the communist party, everything else, they don’t have any political power. Right now, you might see some in lower offices if you’re lucky.
You know, because of the whole “winner take all, also that’s how elections work” thing.
And since the Republican party is, quite obviously, doing a fascism…
IF YOU DON’T WANT FASCISTS IN OFFICE YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CAN WIN AGAINST FASCISTS IN THE ELECTION.
(And also do other stuff outside of voting but we’re talking about voting and elections specifically here not community building and other stuff you should also be doing not just voting)
So yeah. The DNC sucks. It’s right wing while pretending to give a shit. It’s still capitalist. It still does war. It’s not what you want and that sucks.
But you’re gonna have to eat that shit sandwich because they are the only people who are running against the overtly fascist party and winning. They know it, you know it, and until there’s a viable third party that starts winning against both of them, until we get national ranked choice voting, until gerrymandering is illegal everywhere, that’s the situation we’re in.
So yeah. We know they suck, don’t care about st Regan, and it’s really shitty to hear, but yeah, if you don’t want more fascists in office, sorry, you gotta vote for the capitalists.
One thing that you can do (outside of Luigitime or everything else outside of voting we’re talking about elections here) is make sure you vote in the primaries. People overlook them and you can try to get the most left person you can on the ballot. Or run yourself for office, maybe you’ll win and be the first third party president ever, idk.
But for fucks sake don’t be part of the 33% of people who didn’t vote.
1st point they’re both fascist parties, since post 9/11 at least. Could be argued happened before but post 9/11 really stopped hiding it.
2nd this is exactly what the meme is going on about. vote for the dnc it’ll totally be different this time. The issue is with our voting system AND the major parties captured so they only act in the interests of the wealthy. This rant just attacks the voters not cause.
But please continue and take frustrations out at those pointing it out while hoping our dear leaders will stop pulling the football away
When you say it that way, boy, am I happy to vote for the break all my limbs and put me into months of recovery I cannot actually afford because of this party’s policies, party.
If wishes were horses, beggers would ride. We don’t live in that reality yet, so while we’re building that, I’m going to do the care minimum effort thing of voting to not let more of the fascists have power.
“the left should have a united front and stop dividing itself!”
So… Vote for the one viable opposition party?
“No not like that”
The Democrats are a right-wing party.
They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.
They aren’t the fucking opposition, and they’re certainly not the fucking left.
False equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn’t mean they are equally bad. I’m the same vein, they might not be as left as you’d like, but they are certainly more left than the magats.
The problem is that they keep alienating their voters and losing to fascists, but refuse to ever change.
Oh yeah. Solid agree. That is a problem.
Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.
But the shit sandwich is that yeah, they are the only political party with any weight that can go against Republicans.
Hopefully the weight of the party is no longer sufficient to keep progressives from winning the primaries the party still permits.
Because centrists are never gonna change, at least not for the better.
If the weight of the Democratic party isn’t sufficient anymore, it’s because Republicans have taken control over everything. And since they are being the fascist party, I doubt they would let any progressive party gain enough ground to do anything after that.
The weight of the party was not sufficient to stop Mamdani. And yet Republicans do not control New York City.
Mamdani is a Democrat and ran as one. You can’t claim him for team third party.
Two things should happen.
The Democrat party should change.
Voters should rub brain cells together and vote for far and away the better option, even if that option is awful at promoting themselves and adapting to changes in their base.
You won’t get 2 without 1.
I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.
Democrats will never accept that they cannot win republican votes by betraying the left.
First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues, it’s just that populist leftists consider anything less than maximal alignment “betrayal”.
Second, Trump’s support is plummeting thanks to his disastrous administration, Democrats are poised to sweep the midterms, and it’s a safe bet the next 2 years will be even worse and result in a win in 2028. The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.
Don’t lie. They betray the left on wages, worker protections, immigration, trans rights, cannabis legalization, healthcare, wall street reform, police reform, abortion, the Iraq war, the bank bailouts, childcare, family leave, voting rights, I can keep going but you get my point.
Not only do they do all of that shit, they support an unconscionable genocide in Gaza.
Not only that, they do everything they can to ratfuck any progressive candidate.
The genocide wing said that in 2024 and now they blame the left.
Brah, Biden was out their saving pension funds, capping healthcare costs for diabetics, strengthening Medicare, and conditioning grant funding on providing good working conditions, wages, and affordable child care. He spent trillions and put worker protections and benefits into everything he passed.
The guy was the most pro-worker US president I’ve ever seen.
I actually don’t think you can keep going tbh, because it really looks like you scraped the barrel for every grievance and buzzword you have. Plus you mentioned Wall Street reform and bank bailouts separately, which seems like padding. Half of them prove my point because the Republicans are to blame.
As for Gaza, I think you are a disgusting person for bringing it up in this conversation considering how many Palestinians would likely still be alive if Harris had won. Imagine trying to both sides with that issue of all things.
And as far as I’m concerne, nobody needs to “rat fuck” progressives because they are perfectly capable of eating themselves at every opportunity.
my dude, 2 or 3 people were most of these. i don’t blame bernie for senator schlubb’s actions.
You are so correct. Sorry you are getting down voted into oblivion. This place is full of people who read memes instead of long form news.
True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.
So? Just because Democrats aren’t doing things the way you want them exactly doesn’t mean
1-that they aren’t doing some stuff that you kinda would want, even if it’s not perfect and
2- Republicans, or letting Republicans win, is a good idea.
so keep doubling down on electing more trumps. that’s really working great!
Keep doubling down on centrist candidates. It beats admitting you’re wrong.
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It can be a bad thing without being worse than trump, but you can’t pretend I’m a trumpist for not worshiping whatever genocidal shit you demand unquestioning devotion to any other way.
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Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
Their last big win was a Heritage Foundation policy that they nerfed without a single republican vote because it wasn’t far enough to the right.
Source?
Lots of big talk coming from you without a source.
That the ACA was based on Heritage Foundation policy?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoodman/2016/02/15/where-did-the-idea-of-obamacare-come-from-a-defense-of-the-heritage-foundation/
Obama made no secret of it.
Mb, I assumed it was common knowledge, but I guess when people are dumb enough to both sides Democrats with Republicans I shouldn’t assume anything.
https://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf section 321
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3962/text/
I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with don’t make sense here in the outside world?
Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.
Yeah, that’s not a surprise. I understand that the past couple decades of history aren’t netanyahu’s slightest whims, so you can be forgiven for not paying attention to them. You see, the ACA is based on a plan that was put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Since it’s not AIPAC, I’ll have to let you know what that is too. The Heritage Foundation is a republican think tank. They tell republicans (and centrist democrats) what their policies are.
And the democratic caucus killed the public option without republicans getting involved.
It would have been if your wing of the party didn’t think that more people going bankrupt and dying wasn’t preferable. Great work.
The party has been coasting on this for 15 years and meanwhile healthcare has only gotten worse.
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They haven’t been trying. They’ve held both houses and the presidency twice in the 22st century.
You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-climate-and-pro-worker/
The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.
The Child Tax Credit? You mean the one Biden let get killed, doubling child poverty in the process?
I wouldn’t mention that if I was you, tounge washing the balls of the Senator from MBNA. Who made sure Trump could win in 2024.
Nice cherry pick, followed by bullshit. Also are you trying to say “tongue”, but in an English as a second language kind of way? Kinda sus.
Now, you say “killed”, but that’s not true because it still exists at its previous level. Biden just boosted it during covid, plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short. Just another example of Dems trying, and Republicans wasting oxygen.
Either way the point still stands, Biden was the most pro-worker president I’ve ever seen, and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don’t know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.
The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.
They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.
They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.
There is no remotely viable true leftist party in the United States. Welcome to reality.
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.
This is the reality that apparently a lot of people on Lemmy don’t want to accept.
That’s not in the comic anywhere. But since the pro-genocide wing never wants to change, you’ll pretend like it is.
Well, no, it wasn’t in the comic because the conversation is derived from the comic. Do you normally think conversations stay rigidly on only one thing? If you bring up Democrats, naturally Republicans are going to be talked about.
Mainly by people who don’t want democrats to change.
No? Because we’re talking about our current political climate?
Trust me if I had a magic wand or a point of view cannon I’d change the democratic party in an instant. Hell everyone, make a global communist utopia.
I think we’re talking across each other.
Republicans are worse and I’ll never deny that. That doesn’t give democrats license to be as evil as they want to be as long as they’re the lesser evil. And to a lot of Americans, myself included, it looks like democrats are doing just that.
The last election demonstrated that they cannot get away with that behavior. That isn’t me purity testing. That’s me observing what happened. And I think that if the democrats keep acting like Lucy with the football, they’ll get the same results.
Democrats have not only lost the trust of their voters, they have earned their active distrust.
And their current actions aren’t exactly helping to repair trust. Ousting David Hogg, refusing to release the 2024 autopsy, interfering with the primary for Maine’s 2nd district. All of these point to a party that cannot be trusted.
I don’t ever hear anything about what democrats need to do in order to repair that trust and get back the disaffected voters they’ve lost. Just screaming at people with any criticism, regardless of how they voted.
I get that. I really do. I’d love it if they were better. But I’ll ask what I asked elsewhere: So what’s your solution with the situation we have right now, in regards to voting?
1- vote Republican, the overt fascist, white nationalists take over.
2- vote third party, they lose, either Republicans win or a Democrat might win, though doing that might help Republicans win.
3- don’t vote, and who knows who wins, though not voting trends to help Republicans.
4- vote Democrat, even though they suck, so that Republicans don’t win. The capitalist, not white nationalists win.
Not a false equivalence at all. The Democratic-Republicans were formed in 1792 in direct opposition to the Federalist Party.
Multiple years passed since then. Things are different now.
Not different enough to call the Democrats left wing.
Depends on how relative do you want to be. Are they actually left wing? No, not really, center-right at best. But if you talk about American politics, then there is a left wing and a right wing, relatively, and Dems are what constitute as left, by definition.
If I had 1 more IQ point than you, it wouldn’t make me a genius.
Democrats being slightly less than far right doesn’t make them left.
I bloody love the state of discourse here, immaculate. You fuckers can’t read for shit, but the worst part you don’t seem to even try. I just hope you at least get some sort of satisfaction out of that, otherwise it would be even more sad, really.
It’s not 1792. Things change over time. Saying that these two parties are the same because they started for the same reason is really ignoring what’s happening today.
The point here is that there is no left wing party. Just a right wing and a far right wing.
Never said they were left. I said they were the only viable opposition party (as in, opposition to the Republicans) and that they are more left than MAGA.
And also, so what? Are you saying we should let the far right win?
The opposition to a Right wing party is not a far right wing party. The Democrats do not oppose any Republican policies except for the issues invented to distract (trans, abortion, etc.). Any issues that put corporations over people, both parties are fully aligned.
Ok, yes, they are aligned with capital. Saying trans rights and abortion rights are just a distraction is pretty dismissive of people actually dealing with the consequences of Republican policies though. If you’re saying you can’t tell the difference then you’re actively ignoring problems minorities are facing and I can’t help you pull your head out of the ground.
Show me an opposition party to vote for.
the options are either the party currently hurting you or the previous one hurting you
why wont you vote for the ones who constantly say the right things but still actively cause you harm!
Because one causes less harm than the other
That’s their job on the tag team. One side stands for “the right”, it can be Ds or Rs (they have switched sides a couple times).
You’re not stopping one by voting in the other. You’re not preventing harm.
I will vote Democrat in the upcoming election… but know the game, and the players. The Ds aren’t going to fix anything, they are damage control (for now).
Vote D! But open your eyes and watch what they do. It’s a POLL, a barometer.
I mean, yeah. I feel that is shifting though, because now we’ve got MAGA and full on white supremacists in power, so it’s kinda not the same as it was with “oh yeah they are both the same” like the 90s and 00s.
One causes harm and the other says that harm only needs 10% fixing
And then doesn’t fix it at all.
sorry that has to wait until after next election or we won’t win the election
So you think we should let the people who want to do maximal harm have office. Got it.
The point of the meme is that it is the situation we are in where neither party is doing anything to help workers.
In the elections since Reagan was elected president both dnc and gop have rushed farther right. We’re at the point dnc and dems are trying to run as the party and ideals of saint reagan.
Neither party gives a shit about workers and everytime that is brought up we get shit like this said that oh well you just want the GOP to win
Bruv, everyone knows neither party gives a shit about workers. And nobody likes the Democrats, not even Democrats.
No one is here saying Democrats are great. I am most definitely not saying Democrats are great. I have no love for the doormat party.
Buuuuuut
The reality of the situation we’re in right now, as things are, is that they are, effectively, the only other political party than Republicans. The Green party, libertarians, the communist party, everything else, they don’t have any political power. Right now, you might see some in lower offices if you’re lucky.
You know, because of the whole “winner take all, also that’s how elections work” thing.
And since the Republican party is, quite obviously, doing a fascism…
IF YOU DON’T WANT FASCISTS IN OFFICE YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CAN WIN AGAINST FASCISTS IN THE ELECTION. (And also do other stuff outside of voting but we’re talking about voting and elections specifically here not community building and other stuff you should also be doing not just voting)
So yeah. The DNC sucks. It’s right wing while pretending to give a shit. It’s still capitalist. It still does war. It’s not what you want and that sucks.
But you’re gonna have to eat that shit sandwich because they are the only people who are running against the overtly fascist party and winning. They know it, you know it, and until there’s a viable third party that starts winning against both of them, until we get national ranked choice voting, until gerrymandering is illegal everywhere, that’s the situation we’re in.
So yeah. We know they suck, don’t care about st Regan, and it’s really shitty to hear, but yeah, if you don’t want more fascists in office, sorry, you gotta vote for the capitalists.
One thing that you can do (outside of Luigitime or everything else outside of voting we’re talking about elections here) is make sure you vote in the primaries. People overlook them and you can try to get the most left person you can on the ballot. Or run yourself for office, maybe you’ll win and be the first third party president ever, idk.
But for fucks sake don’t be part of the 33% of people who didn’t vote.
1st point they’re both fascist parties, since post 9/11 at least. Could be argued happened before but post 9/11 really stopped hiding it.
2nd this is exactly what the meme is going on about. vote for the dnc it’ll totally be different this time. The issue is with our voting system AND the major parties captured so they only act in the interests of the wealthy. This rant just attacks the voters not cause.
But please continue and take frustrations out at those pointing it out while hoping our dear leaders will stop pulling the football away
Ok so what’s your solution with the situation we have right now, in regards to voting?
1- vote Republican, the overt fascist, white nationalists take over.
2- vote third party, they lose, either Republicans win or a Democrat might win, though doing that might help Republicans win.
3- don’t vote, and who knows who wins, though not voting trends to help Republicans.
4- vote Democrat, even though they suck, so that Republicans don’t win. The capitalist, not white nationalists win.
Edit: also never made the claim the DNC would change things? Like once? Wtf bro
Choose between broken legs and arms or a lobotomy. One is clearly less harm.
Uh. Yea? I’ll take the broken limbs. Problem?
Cool now you have broken limbs that don’t get repaired properly so either get infected or heal in ways that make them unusable
Hell yea, not brain damage. Sign me up.
When you say it that way, boy, am I happy to vote for the break all my limbs and put me into months of recovery I cannot actually afford because of this party’s policies, party.
Yeah. Both are a lot of harm. One is less bad though. What’s your point?
My point is that wouldn’t it be better that, instead of harming you, one or both would try to help you live your life? You know this is a possibility.
If wishes were horses, beggers would ride. We don’t live in that reality yet, so while we’re building that, I’m going to do the care minimum effort thing of voting to not let more of the fascists have power.
Cool now you have broken limbs that don’t get repaired properly so either get infected or heal in ways that make them unusable
I’m tired of being stabbed, I’m no longer going to vote being stabbed.
Sorry the only options are do you want to get stabbed in the foot or leg