I understand that some of the criticism comes from conservatives but the sentiment seems to extend far beyond thst. Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?

  • JillyB@beehaw.org
    1·
    28 分钟前

    Personally, I think influencer/hustle culture, parasocial relations, personal “brands” are a rot on society coming from the worst parts of capitalism. The influencer benefits from alienation and I think that’s wrong. I don’t think an OF model is any worse than any other influencer. I also think a lot of OF models didn’t feel they had many options when they started. But the really successful ones could get out or be less parasocial or something.

  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    1·
    3 小时前

    I don’t like how it’s spammed around, otherwise I wouldn’t care about it.

    • 4grams@awful.systemsEnglish
      2·
      4 小时前

      This, it’s purely moralistic fart sniffing. That and folks who can’t control themselves and blame the performers for being too tempting.

  • GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml
    3·
    6 小时前

    Sex workers face mortality rates from overdose that dwarf the general population. We’re talking about an external-cause mortality risk roughly 8-12 times higher for these marginalized groups. The direct link is undeniable: studies show a significant history of substance dependence (100% in one cohort) with opioids involved in ~90% of those fatal events. It’s crucial to note these are likely “conservative estimates” because many records don’t capture sex work status.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12405828/

    The driving factor isn’t the work itself, but the trauma surrounding it. You see a high burden of PTSD, anxiety, and depression that predates or coincides with substance use. For many, the drug use, especially “polysubstance” mixing of opioids and benzos, is a form of self-medication to numb the violence and stigma

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acps.13559

    The overdose is often a direct consequence of criminalization and policing. Research shows that when police target sex workers or create barriers to safe consumption sites, the odds of a fatal overdose more than double (AOR 2.15)

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0955395922003668?fr=RR-2&ref=pdf_download&rr=9d06bca97a56066e

  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    11·
    9 小时前

    They don’t. Generally, nobody cares. The few that do are just so damn loud you’d think there was a lot of them.

  • Owl@mander.xyz
    1·
    8 小时前

    There are a lot ore conservatives in the world than you would believe if you live in a big city and/or a developed western nation.

  • drastic133@lemmy.ml
    51·
    12 小时前

    So you are saying some people want to do porn, and others don’t. Presumably because some like it and some don’t. They all do it for money though, none of them do it for free.

    What’s the basis of knowing if someone does it because they like it then? Because they say so?

  • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
    231·
    17 小时前

    I only have a problem with sex work if people feel like they have to do it to make ends meet, or if they are being coerced into it. The latter being a big problem in the porn industry.

    • menas@lemmy.wtf
      81·
      8 小时前

      All work is done through coercition Some coercition are worst than other, but the all the worst one are not only in sex works. Fighting for emancipation is done by the workers themselves, not aqainst them

    • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
      62·
      16 小时前

      I feel like I have to do my job to make ends meet - how is that different from sex work? Coercion is a different story

      • onwardknave@lemmy.ml
        81·
        12 小时前

        Fact is, we humans make quite surplus enough for everyone to make ends meet. Your job is a form of coercion, to make others money. That health care in the U.S. is tied to one’s job is evidence of that. That housing is dependent on mortgages being paid consistently or one risks homelessness is more evidence still. Taxes are coercion by governments to give credence to fiat currency, not because they need it to pay for goods and services… they could print money to pay for goods if that weren’t true. Point is jobs are coercion, and sex workers are under the same pressures I described above, enough that I doubt any sex worker is in it just for their love of the game.

        • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          3 小时前

          We are not free. We are just able to choose from a limited selection of approved choices or face retribution, or maybe you can’t even get a choice and that is seen as a personal failing.

  • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
    133·
    20 小时前

    Of course, I understand it when it’s forced or when someone only does it to survive against their will. But if people genuinely want to do it, why do people hate on them?

    Replace ‘porn star’ with ‘slave’ and you’ll understand. There might be a section of the population that would like to be a slave, but we have, as a society, decided that people shouldn’t be bought and sold like furniture.

    Of course, the hatred should be aimed at the economic and social systems that allow people to buy others’ dignity, not at the victims of that system.

    • Semester3383@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      13 小时前

      Having spoken with a few women that have done things adjacent to pornography, their regrets are mostly in regards to the way they were treated by people that were not in the industry. The escorts I’ve spoken with enjoy the work itself, although not necessarily all of the customers.

      What you’re saying about the horrors of pornography and prostitution apply to ALL people that need to work for a living. The company I work for buys my time, the product of my labor–which they sell for many times what I’m paid–and even my dignity by forcing me to wear a uniform of their choice. I absolutely do not like the customers that ultimately purchase the products of my labor, but I have little choice if I want to have a place to live, and food to eat.

      • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 小时前

        The escorts I’ve spoken with enjoy the work itself

        Like I said, I’m sure there are people who enjoy this, but the system is still exploitative and harmful.

        What you’re saying about the horrors of pornography and prostitution apply to ALL people that need to work for a living …

        Yes. In an ideal world, people won’t have to do any dangerous or difficult jobs. But for now, we can’t start with the worst offenders.

        • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          6 小时前

          Yes. In an ideal world, people won’t have to do any dangerous or difficult jobs. But for now, we can’t start with the worst offenders.

          do you believe that all sex work is dangerous or difficult?

          do you believe that easy & safe but compulsory work as a means to get obtain food and shelter is an ideal world?

        • sakuraba@lemmy.ml
          2·
          7 小时前

          I think there are no worst offenders here, all labor is valid as in all labor is exploitative in a capitalist system

          Dignity is very relative here, I think you can be a sex worker and keep your dignity

      • drastic133@lemmy.ml
        26·
        12 小时前

        There are significant differences to being forced to sell your mind, competence and time; vs being forced to auction off the another’s use of your own genitals.

        • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
          7·
          11 小时前

          Please explain what those differences are without using any magical thinking that places sex into a sacred sphere of human activity that is holy and sacrosanct?

          Or don’t. My point is you can tell how serious a person is when they start talking about the morality of sex by replacing every mention of sex in their point with “boxing”. It’s still a highly physical one-on-one activity that’s a crime of both participants haven’t consented, so if the exact same argument doesn’t make sense when made about boxing then they are thinking magically about sex and not materialistically.

  • daggermoon@piefed.worldEnglish
    4·
    16 小时前

    I respect sex workers but I really don’t want to be advertised to while I’m jerking off, or ever really. Like if i’m in the market for buying nudes I’ll come to you. I have nothing against anyone who buys or sells pics on onlyfans.

  • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
    12·
    1 天前

    Because most cultures have been heavily influenced by cultures descended from the bronze age sheep fuckers who came up with the idea of virginity as a way of ensuring paternity and maximizing the price they could charge for selling their preteen daughters to old men.

  • otp@sh.itjust.works
    161·
    1 天前

    I think a lot of hate comes from:

    • People who are jealous of people with natural looks
    • People are jealous of people who have more motivation than them to exercise and keep their bodies healthy
    • Men who exercise and work on their bodies but can’t make any money from it
    • sakuraba@lemmy.ml
      2·
      7 小时前

      Men who exercise and work on their bodies but can’t make any money from it

      I mean they can, there are many male OF models and some don’t even work out, you only need to find your place in the market (usually with a kink)

      • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        6 小时前

        i wish i had this realization when i was younger. lol

        back then, i was deeply confused when i learned that people were getting off to a surreptitiously recorded hookup that featured me because i assumed no fancied me; yet there was in in my full glory laughing at the wailing coming from the man i’m pleasuring and the video had over 100k likes/upvotes.

        it wouldn’t have made me a millionaire; but it would have gotten me a hell of a lot closer than i will ever be. lol

        and at least i got a husband out of the whole affair; i like silver linings. lol

        • sakuraba@lemmy.ml
          1·
          6 小时前

          damn that sounds hot no wonder it got many likes lol

          you would be surprised, a friend of mine got popular with their low quality gay orgy videos and now lives on Canada and its part of a polycule

      • sakuraba@lemmy.ml
        2·
        6 小时前

        for real this topic always comes along when my bf jokes about opening an OF together

        i bluntly respond with “yeah we just need to market ourselves on elon’s twitter for months with teasers and maybe paying for that blue mark while networking with other creators”