I think when it comes to blocking people, I can see some improvement there. I’m all about the idea of not adding fuel to the fire in the form of pointless online arguments and conflicts.
I see so many online platforms just fucking fail at the ways they try approaching that issue. Most places would let you block a user but they can still see everything that the blocked user has said. Like that opens the doors to exploiting and archiving. It is one thing if you’re logged out and can see things site-wide than it is still being logged in and seeing what was said.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
I think the Fediverse has corrected that aspect that, when you log off, you can’t see shit. So it prevents that. Though that’s practiced from the instance I’m on for all I know.
However, when logged in and still blocking people, they can still see what was said by those who blocked them.
Furthermore and this is a bit of a controversial part, is that, I think moderation logs to be open is a bad idea. Again, it is to me, just one more thing to add to the fuel of a fire that isn’t being let to wind down. Because people often jab and joust at others with shit like “LOOK WHUT U DID IN THUH MODERATION LOG!” and that just does nothing but escalate.
I think with some of these kinds of corrections, would promote the idea of a healthier ecosystem for the community.
Exposure maybe? How to attract new eyeballs. Idk how either.
Why is it in my many decades of online discussion I have never blocked anyone, yet I see people who somehow think they need it?
Why?
You cant just move on or ignore them? I find it so weird.
I agree. A lot of people are proud of their 100-user-long blocklist. Seems like a weird thing to boast about, to me.
- Better enforcement of accessibility. Besides the obvious, this would improve searches: often I can’t use the search feature for posts of images of text, because alt text wasn’t set.
- A public modlog that can be linked independent of instance.
- Content versioning, so we can review previous versions of edited posts/comments.
I’m new here. I’d like to be able to find communities by size (ie. locate the ones that actually are used).
You can do this on piefed with the community browser.
Thank you, this was EXTREMELY helpful.
I think there needs to be a higher emphasis on real life community building instead of recreating the services that destroyed communities.
We don’t need another twitter clone. We need a marketplace and volunteer organizing software.
I can easily imagine tiny towns, neighborhoods (and even apartments) using a Mastodon server to create a community based social media. Now, whether people would WANT to use that, and if it would just turn into NextDoor, are separate issues.
I think those are great ideas. Event planning is a general-purpose app that can be leveraged for mobilizing political groups. I don’t think there’s really anything like Facebook Groups, unless Friendica has some of that.
The Fediverse could improve how things are shared. If I wanted to share your post with a friend, I’ll give them this link: https://piefed.ca/c/asklemmy/p/424338/what-do-you-feel-the-fediverse-could-improve-on.
If they’re also on the same instance as me (Piefed.ca), then all’s good. But God forbid they’re on another instance and they want to comment or vote on your post. They would have to go back to their own instance, find this community, and then search for this specific post.
And I know some of you guys are itching to tell me about using a browser extension/script or another front-end to fix this, but this should be officially integrated with every front-end. I don’t understand why there still hasn’t been any integration with something like Threadiverse.
How can a social media grow if you can’t even share posts properly?
We could be nicer.
I hope you all have a good week.
Agreed. We’re still one of the most polite online spaces I’m aware of, but it’s harsher than it was right during the third party app exodus.
I really don’t get why there are so many mean people here. I don’t mean everyone has to go around being extra polite all the time - hell, even I don’t do that. It’s the intentional stuff, trying to hurt someone’s feelings, that baffles me. There’s way too much of it, and it just boggles my mind.
I don’t care how big an asshole the other person was being - responding that way just makes two assholes. Block them and move on. Don’t add to the toxicity that ruins social media in the first place, or you’re part of the problem.
I believe there is some huge level of insecurity among people that make them act that way. It has to be. It’s their poor way of coping in a world they probably didn’t have any plans in how to navigate in, so why not just be a bastard online? It gives them a sense of superiority and power I guess, as false as it is.
If you’re having to go around and mindlessly pick arguments with people, be an asshole and try to tell them how you’re better than them? You’re most likely not better than them. You’ve only sunk down several levels yourself.
I’m a cis, white, male, everyone is nice to me
The biggest thing for me is searchability. After a post is off the feed, it may as well be deleted. God help you if you’re looking for something new, like a guide or help post. Most of the Fediverse is unindexed by search engines, and the built-in Lemmy search makes Reddit search look like Google in it’s prime. I know PieFed has helpped a bit by adding flairs, so you can at least sort by that, but to my knowledge thats about as far as anyone has gone trying to address this.
I think having open modlogs is great for transparency.
People will routinely play innocent after saying gross shit, getting rid of the record will only make it harder to call out bad actors.
I prefer the way blocks work, if someone is talking shit they cant just block the people calling them out.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
Unenforcible without Real ID Verification.
I could just have a dormant account in a different Tor Session and it would be unlinkable to me.
If you block me, I could use that account to browse and still see you.
I could have 10 or 100 of these alts.
(Hypothetically speaking of course, I don’t have the energy to do all that stuff, I always lists every alt in my profile)
The influx of new users in the last 4 months has shown me there needs to be some disincentive for posting the same regurgitated sentiment-based shit that you see every time you log in. Regurgitated sentiments and memes represent 95% of the content… yes AI bad… Israel bad… Cheese powder face man bad… I feel depressed… I can’t afford a house… robots took my job. How many times can we as a community re-state what we already know to be true.
This is Reddit 2.0 let’s not kid ourselves.
It wouldn’t be reddit 2.0 without complaints like this about popular social concerns being popular on social media.
This is Reddit 2.0 let’s not kid ourselves.
What exactly were you expecting? I think the only one kidding themselves is you
Are we in the same reality? No, because the question is what do we need to do to make the Fediverse better.
You being here isn’t one of those things apparently.
I’d like it if there were little indications about whether post OP upvoted or downvoted a comment, and whether the author of a comment I’m replying to upvoted or downvoted my reply.
Specific to Lemmy, I’d like to see cross-posts get combined. The problem I’m seeing with Lemmy as a whole is everyone wants to submit new topics but not so much comment on others. And it doesn’t help when you’re browsing /all and someone has posted the same exact thing to like 15 different instances (same community across different instances, I mean). So… which do I reply to, assuming my instance wasn’t posted on? World? ML? SJW? Hexbear? Those are the big ones I see. So, I think when someone posts to, say, AskLemmy, it should show them a list of all federated Ask Lemmy communities, and they should be able to uncheck the ones they don’t want it crossposted to. And then you would only see one, because they would be connected, and all the replies would be in one place. This would do 2 things. One, it would declutter /all (and make OP look less like a spammer); two, it would encourage conversation. You just reply and it posts to the crosspost on your instance (or lets you choose one). Then, if one instance is defederated, only those top level comments disappear, but the rest of the conversation is preserved.
- Starter Packs in the MicroBlogVerse (Which is coming to Mastodon!)
- Multis in the ThreadiVerse (Which is also coming to Lemmy!)
A global landing page that let’s people join from, asks them some basic questions and selects a server based on those answers wall while explaining in laymen’s tense why. Then when the user finishes signing up presents them with a printable page of their login (user ID, server, etc.) for them to keep in their records and a button to take them straight in.
Hell, add fediserach somewhere in there as well.
People need an information kiosk
Someone could make this today. In fact, it probably already exists, but how would you find it? Also, how would the service catalog instances without being an instance itself and federating? And at that point why not just join that instance? Doesn’t having a “front page” for the whole fediverse kind of defeat decentralization? I feel like every aspect of these apps runs counter to that happening.
I really don’t know how - or even if - the “discoverability” issue will be solved. I also don’t know if it needs a solution. I’ve been enjoying the slow drip of organically discovering neat little comms. It’s almost exactly like the Internet used to be imo.
So, I look at this how I first saw the fediverse. There was a promise of collaboration, a united against monopolistic tech companies that originally drew me in, but how it worked was not clearly explained and I didn’t really understand until much after joining Lemmy, most users don’t care for the complexity and while you are correct that a cetralized Lemmy would go against the purpose of the fediverse, my idea would be of a communal lobby not one ran from a single instance but as a collaboration between the biggest instances. It only would display a catalog of instances and use API endpoints to create a new users account. The feddisearch already exists and could just be either linked to this page or also pulled in using an API if possible. Management would be handled by the owners of all member instances as well as financing.
I guess the question finally falls in do we want to go up against the big tech companies and improve the internet, or just want to exist inone of the Internet’s corners and be left alone?
Yeah I hear you. I was mostly playing devil’s advocate with my questions. I think your idea is very interesting, I just wouldn’t expect Lemmy devs to pick it up.
