I mean it’s pretty much just the sample, a xylophone playing “Baa Baa Black Sheep” and some very simple percussion and flute. It’s a new song yes, but it relies heavily on others’ work and what is his addition has barely anything to it. What makes it good is his and Kimbra’s vocals. With this whole “not changing anything means it’s bad” standard you do realise that writes off all covers that are done with the same instrumentation as not worthy of praise right? And yes those cover artists aren’t claiming their song is an original, but neither is Doechii out here saying the instrumentation is hers. She didn’t steal it, as you said

Why are you saying she has to take more obscure samples? Again this is a pretty arbitrary standard to have. Sampling doesn’t have to be what you describe. It means they have more skill of course, doing it that way and it certainly can be more interesting. But Gotye has far from done some skillful with his sampling here. I’m just pointing this out cos of the hypocrisy of calling her out on this front but then only having good words for Gotye. And no one is out here claiming she’s done some good instrumentation or that it’s original in that aspect, either her or anyone who likes it. The people who do like it like it for the most part because she took the instrumentation and made a new song with a different feel to it and did it well, in their eyes. Like I don’t think she’s done some amazing work in general or anything, I just think the hate she’s getting is undeserved

I’m not claiming you’re mad yourself, I’ve no idea if you even have any feeling around it. Just in case I was coming across that way. And it’s totally fine not to like the song, that’s valid as you say. But there’s a difference between saying you don’t like it and thinking it’s bad. There’s plenty of stuff I don’t like personally but that I can appreciate has been done well. I’m talking about having seen so many threads and so much discussion online of people saying how much they don’t like her and it’s ruined her reputation, or giving that as a reason why so many others do. I don’t know if it has actually ruined it, seems she’s gotten mad plays on it at least. But certainly so many people were/are pissed about it

Ok so your points boil down to “she wasn’t creative with the instrumentation as he was”. Even though while yes that is true, he hardly was so to any real degree. She did her own lyrics entirely (which are, in my opinion, a lot more creative than Gotye’s) and gave the song a different feel with her delivery. And still, is the fact that Gotye was a bit creative with the instrumentation and she wasn’t really a reason to give her so much hate? Let’s be real too, most people hating on her don’t know Gotye also sampled, they think it’s entirely his. It’s such a wild thing to get so mad about

Edit: wait I’ve just realised you said she “stole” it too. She didn’t and both Gotye and the guy with the original 60s song are getting a lot of money for it because of it. Also Gotye is getting so many more plays on his song because of Anxiety being released and loads of people being reminded he exists in general

Yes but as I say he made it far simpler and less interesting. So it’s not like he’s gone on and done some great musicianship with it. It’s as close to just doing the same thing whilst still doing something that’s it’s own thing as can be. People are acting like she’s taken his instrumentation and ruined it or something when it isn’t his, for the most part. And to make it clear I don’t think either of those, what Gotye or Doechii did, is a bad thing inherently. I personally like both songs. I don’t get why people are so up in arms at her about it

Ok but I’m not sure personally what my other option is? Of course there’s buying the music directly, which good on people for doing that. It is the best and most ethical way. But something I always find kinda frustrating about the “just buy your own music” comments that are always all over these posts is I have a very wide music taste and really like to keep up with new music too. I have over 12,000 songs saved on Spotify. I’m also broke, jobless and homeless. I’m sorry but doing that isn’t a viable option for me. I would love to be able to support all these artists but the best I can do is play their music a lot on Spotify and spread the word about them to others. I also go to a lot of gigs but so many acts that I like are big enough that they play big venues and are very expensive to see because of it.

I already did this. I joined both, paid them money and then found out they were lacking these features after doing so. I gave them the feedback. Unfortunately the lack of them really gets in the way of how I like to listen to music. I’m sure others will be feeding back the same

Yeah I also saw that Tidal had announced they’d be scaling back the amount of funding on development fairly recently before I tried them out. Which didn’t fill me with much hope. But I’ve not written them off at all. It’s not like Spotify is really raising the bar at all these days anyway

As soon as Tidal or Qobuz add a couple real key functionalities that Spotify has but they don’t I’m switching right over

Yep that gulf stream does a lot for us. But people generally don’t know this as climate science is suppressed as much as possible by the powers that be. Gunna be a real fun time in the future

It’s so funny she didn’t wanna release it properly but then it blew up through no real effort of her own years down the line and people kept asking her to do a proper version over and over. So she did what people wanted and now people won’t stop giving her shit for it. You really can’t win with the internet nowadays

I’ve seen so many people saying that the reason they hate it so much is cos it’s overused on tiktok and stuff. Ok so…is that her fault? It’s also funny that people complain she didn’t do anything different with the instrumentation when the Gotye original’s is him sampling a song from the 60s and actually making it far simpler and less interesting

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It’s from Find Out Now so has to be taken with a pretty big pinch of salt. They’ve always given the left higher percentages than all other pollsters. But it’s still something to be happy about. Let’s keep that momentum going

Of course. Thankfully the BBC didn’t minimise it to quite that extent, this time. I just think the general takeaway from the average person seeing this headline would be to think that it’s likely going to be that or a bit over by 2050. It wasn’t too long ago that many people in the UK were hearing small numbers like that and going “oh well it’d be nice if it got a bit warmer here, why is this a big deal?” Seems the massive uptick in heat waves in recent times, and how it’s getting overtly worse each year, has put a stop to that though for the most part

Yes the warming will only increase by .5°C in the next 25 years. Absolutely that’s only as far as it’ll go

If this momentum that the Greens have right now continues consistently for the most part then I’m sure we’ll see at least a few examples of Reform taking some seats. And it arguably being because the vote was split between Labour and Greens in the coming elections, including the GE. I believe we can have a good amount of faith that won’t be the intended outcome though. But that’s personal belief going off what we can see so far and the message they’re giving, for now. We won’t know until it happens and I don’t deny that most politicians could be capable of this. But if that’s the case, why have that be a reason not to join, if we have no believable indications it would be a thing with candidates in our areas? And they’re espousing views that align with ours, and especially when there’s no real alternative? What helps the Greens is how internally democratic they are and that they wouldn’t allow someone to be a candidate when there’s believable indications that they’d be shady. Obviously you bring up Zack’s hypnotist mess but I don’t think it indicates nearly strongly enough that he’d be corrupt. And also how, even if an elected official from them tried taking bribes, the rest of the party officials and it’s members (of which there will be a huge number of) would be vehemently against it. With it not being something that’s widespread throughout the party, unlike with the others, there wouldn’t be this omertà-esque thing going on and it would be far more obvious. And also that when it is revealed to the public there isn’t massive effort from all the powers in society in all their forms and the media, not just the party itself, to cover it up or minimise it. Obviously you can make your bag and run but it would have to be a short term thing and a lot higher risk, in this case. I understand your concerns after the shit we’ve had to deal with now and in the past, I really do. I just personally don’t feel them with this party nearly enough to see it as a reason to not join them. Could change in the future, who knows? I might regret becoming a member. But fuck it, we need to get some big antifascist movement going on and no other large party seems willing to fully go for it

Edit: wow didn’t realise how much of a wall of text I’d written there, typical leftist. Also I should say I understand that you haven’t said your concerns aren’t making you not want to join. I’m just speaking broadly of how trust is tied into all of these things

Ok but how would they go about grifting? Like I get that people putting trust in them and giving them power is a requirement for grifting, but there needs to be a method too. Their new core member and voter base is also going to be the wisest section of the electorate to that sort of thing too. It would also require a coordinated effort across the party. That’s easy to do with Reform, the Tories, Labour and so on when they’re committed capitalists who clearly aren’t in it for morals and to make positive change and whose main source of income are big donors. I’m just struggling to envision it

True, I do also think he does well in the face of things like that. You’re right, it may actually turn out in his favour if he can take them in his stride, which is a very welcome change. I feel like the only other public figure on the UK left I’ve seen do really well with that is Mick Lynch

Genuinely curious and not being confrontational, is there a grift to really be had with being the Green leader? Especially with the way he’s taking it. I’d imagine if he was on a grift, even within the Greens, he’d be better off being in the middle class NIMBY faction where Ramsay is and so on. But I’m open to hearing reasons I may be wrong in thinking that

And yeah it is a red flag but it was over 10 years ago now and in an article published by the Sun, who we all know don’t half sensationalise or just outright lie in their articles. Not saying it didn’t happen but I wouldn’t believe everything in it 100% at the least. People absolutely can change, just about everyone has done things they really aren’t proud of. I’ll still be looking out for more red flags though, of course. I don’t trust any political leader completely, especially with how bad power almost always is for the human psyche

And I’m sure the interview won’t have any loaded questions that scream anti-Green bias at all

Great answer. Thankfully there’s at least one large party leader here that follows actual science and reason

Hmm didn’t know this about Disturbed. Yet another reason to find them cringe. A great one is that terrible weed song they did. For those who might be curious and want a good laugh, enjoy

I love weed but it sounds like something written by a teenager after they’ve had their first three joints in their life

Pretty sure most people do this to some extent. But I think we do it more so than most, from what I can tell. Either way, why not repeat some good shit that we vibe to? Life’s too short not to often listen to the same stuff over and over