She did her own lyrics entirely (which are, in my opinion, a lot more creative than Gotyeās) and gave the song a different feel with her delivery
Well, thatās not enough, apparently, for many people. Gotye took 2 seconds of a classical guitar song and made a completely new song from it. The new girl just took that same new song and put her words on it. A change, sure, but still essentially the same song. New lyrics can make a song feel completely different, but that still means the rest of the song is the same song.
is the fact that Gotye was a bit creative with the instrumentation and she wasnāt really a reason to give her so much hate?
Criticism is not hate. If she makes a song that is a slightly tweaked version of a well known hit, she is going to be seen as derivative and uninspired.
Letās be real too, most people hating on her donāt know Gotye also sampled
So she should take more obscure samples then? Isnāt that part of the art of sampling, taking something obscure and breathing something fresh into it? If people cannot even tell if your song is the original or not, then you didnāt change enough.
Itās such a wild thing to get so mad about
Whoās mad? You like the song, others donāt, both are valid.
I mean itās pretty much just the sample, a xylophone playing āBaa Baa Black Sheepā and some very simple percussion and flute. Itās a new song yes, but it relies heavily on othersā work and what is his addition has barely anything to it. What makes it good is his and Kimbraās vocals. With this whole ānot changing anything means itās badā standard you do realise that writes off all covers that are done with the same instrumentation as not worthy of praise right? And yes those cover artists arenāt claiming their song is an original, but neither is Doechii out here saying the instrumentation is hers. She didnāt steal it, as you said
Why are you saying she has to take more obscure samples? Again this is a pretty arbitrary standard to have. Sampling doesnāt have to be what you describe. It means they have more skill of course, doing it that way and it certainly can be more interesting. But Gotye has far from done some skillful with his sampling here. Iām just pointing this out cos of the hypocrisy of calling her out on this front but then only having good words for Gotye. And no one is out here claiming sheās done some good instrumentation or that itās original in that aspect, either her or anyone who likes it. The people who do like it like it for the most part because she took the instrumentation and made a new song with a different feel to it and did it well, in their eyes. Like I donāt think sheās done some amazing work in general or anything, I just think the hate sheās getting is undeserved
Iām not claiming youāre mad yourself, Iāve no idea if you even have any feeling around it. Just in case I was coming across that way. And itās totally fine not to like the song, thatās valid as you say. But thereās a difference between saying you donāt like it and thinking itās bad. Thereās plenty of stuff I donāt like personally but that I can appreciate has been done well. Iām talking about having seen so many threads and so much discussion online of people saying how much they donāt like her and itās ruined her reputation, or giving that as a reason why so many others do. I donāt know if it has actually ruined it, seems sheās gotten mad plays on it at least. But certainly so many people were/are pissed about it
I heavily disagree? Thereās a litany of other samples that heās compiled to make an entirely different song, see here, I think the general point people are making here is that her rendition is the musical equivalent of a reaction video. The lyricism is good, sure, but I think she absolutely shouldāve taken more creative liberties with the way she handled the instrumental.
That is just demonstrably untrue, Somebody I Used to Know is transformative to the point to not be confused with the original, which cannot be said for Anxiety.
With this whole ānot changing anything means itās badā standard
Didnāt say that.
Why are you saying she has to take more obscure samples?
Because her song is being mistaken for the one she is sampling, leading to people not liking her song and thinking she is unoriginal.
Again this is a pretty arbitrary standard to have. Sampling
Not really, proof is in the pudding. Ice Ice Baby is able to be confused for Under Pressure, so people think itās unoriginal, same here. If it isnāt transformative enough, it is derivative.
Iām just pointing this out cos of the hypocrisy of calling her out on this front but then only having good words for Gotye.
Itās not hypocrisy, the Gotye song does not sound like the song the sample is from, whereas Anxiety sounds exactly like Somebody I Used to Know.
But thereās a difference between saying you donāt like it and thinking itās bad.
Right, and I never said itās bad
Thereās plenty of stuff I donāt like personally but that I can appreciate has been done well
If the thing you appreciate from a song is not a part that artist added to the mix (for example, if you really like the bass line from Ice Ice Baby), where does the appreciation lay? Because thatās the crux that you donāt seem to grasp. People like the Gotye song because itās more than the sum of its parts; it made something new. Whereas, as demonstrated by Anxiety being seen as ājust Somebody I Used to Know with different lyrics,ā it is not transformative or unique. As you mentioned, covers can bring something new to the table, or just be the same song with a different vibe. But itās still the same song.
Or maybe the consensus is just that she didnāt do it well enough, or it was just too derivative, or any combination of things. To me it certainly feels like the music version of how Hollywood does reboot-sequels thatās basically the same movie but remade for modern audiences, Iād rather just watch the original.
Well, thatās not enough, apparently, for many people. Gotye took 2 seconds of a classical guitar song and made a completely new song from it. The new girl just took that same new song and put her words on it. A change, sure, but still essentially the same song. New lyrics can make a song feel completely different, but that still means the rest of the song is the same song.
Criticism is not hate. If she makes a song that is a slightly tweaked version of a well known hit, she is going to be seen as derivative and uninspired.
So she should take more obscure samples then? Isnāt that part of the art of sampling, taking something obscure and breathing something fresh into it? If people cannot even tell if your song is the original or not, then you didnāt change enough.
Whoās mad? You like the song, others donāt, both are valid.
I mean itās pretty much just the sample, a xylophone playing āBaa Baa Black Sheepā and some very simple percussion and flute. Itās a new song yes, but it relies heavily on othersā work and what is his addition has barely anything to it. What makes it good is his and Kimbraās vocals. With this whole ānot changing anything means itās badā standard you do realise that writes off all covers that are done with the same instrumentation as not worthy of praise right? And yes those cover artists arenāt claiming their song is an original, but neither is Doechii out here saying the instrumentation is hers. She didnāt steal it, as you said
Why are you saying she has to take more obscure samples? Again this is a pretty arbitrary standard to have. Sampling doesnāt have to be what you describe. It means they have more skill of course, doing it that way and it certainly can be more interesting. But Gotye has far from done some skillful with his sampling here. Iām just pointing this out cos of the hypocrisy of calling her out on this front but then only having good words for Gotye. And no one is out here claiming sheās done some good instrumentation or that itās original in that aspect, either her or anyone who likes it. The people who do like it like it for the most part because she took the instrumentation and made a new song with a different feel to it and did it well, in their eyes. Like I donāt think sheās done some amazing work in general or anything, I just think the hate sheās getting is undeserved
Iām not claiming youāre mad yourself, Iāve no idea if you even have any feeling around it. Just in case I was coming across that way. And itās totally fine not to like the song, thatās valid as you say. But thereās a difference between saying you donāt like it and thinking itās bad. Thereās plenty of stuff I donāt like personally but that I can appreciate has been done well. Iām talking about having seen so many threads and so much discussion online of people saying how much they donāt like her and itās ruined her reputation, or giving that as a reason why so many others do. I donāt know if it has actually ruined it, seems sheās gotten mad plays on it at least. But certainly so many people were/are pissed about it
I heavily disagree? Thereās a litany of other samples that heās compiled to make an entirely different song, see here, I think the general point people are making here is that her rendition is the musical equivalent of a reaction video. The lyricism is good, sure, but I think she absolutely shouldāve taken more creative liberties with the way she handled the instrumental.
This whole thread is wrong lol. Sampling is musicianship. Simplifying a pop banger from the 60s down to its essence is creativity.
That is just demonstrably untrue, Somebody I Used to Know is transformative to the point to not be confused with the original, which cannot be said for Anxiety.
Didnāt say that.
Because her song is being mistaken for the one she is sampling, leading to people not liking her song and thinking she is unoriginal.
Not really, proof is in the pudding. Ice Ice Baby is able to be confused for Under Pressure, so people think itās unoriginal, same here. If it isnāt transformative enough, it is derivative.
Itās not hypocrisy, the Gotye song does not sound like the song the sample is from, whereas Anxiety sounds exactly like Somebody I Used to Know.
Right, and I never said itās bad
If the thing you appreciate from a song is not a part that artist added to the mix (for example, if you really like the bass line from Ice Ice Baby), where does the appreciation lay? Because thatās the crux that you donāt seem to grasp. People like the Gotye song because itās more than the sum of its parts; it made something new. Whereas, as demonstrated by Anxiety being seen as ājust Somebody I Used to Know with different lyrics,ā it is not transformative or unique. As you mentioned, covers can bring something new to the table, or just be the same song with a different vibe. But itās still the same song.
Or maybe the consensus is just that she didnāt do it well enough, or it was just too derivative, or any combination of things. To me it certainly feels like the music version of how Hollywood does reboot-sequels thatās basically the same movie but remade for modern audiences, Iād rather just watch the original.