Why is it that people who present themselves as morally superior often seem the least willing to forgive? Some would rather support establishment figures like Susan Collins or Janet Mills, politicians they view as helping sustain the policies and military interventions that created the problem in the first place, than support a former mercenary who ultimately turned against that system. It seems strange to condemn someone for what they once were while giving a pass to the institutions and leaders that continue to benefit from the same machinery.

That type of behavior benefits the Jeffrey Epstein Class. When the hell will we ever get shit done, if you cannot forgive or accept the people that are closest to the core of the system and have decided to help us? All you have to do is keep an eye on them. I’m not saying you should “blindly” support Platner, you should watch every single one of his moves to confirm he didn’t lie. Zohran Mandami has delivered so far, and people had a similar level of skepticism, but it was worse, because they hated him for being muslim, so.

If their only argument is the Nazi tattoo, that’s sad. It’s a very silly one. The point is that you genuinely think people can’t change, and that is really dangerous. And no, I’d not have these standards for people like Trump or similar, because they are already very old and adamant about who they truly are. Platner was a victim of this system, American Exceptionalism and American Imperialism (both still prevalent here in Lemmy; leftists who still want the USA to be the World Police, to intervene everywhere because they think they are Humanity’s smartest and best choice or whatever “heroic” Main Protagonist Syndrome nonsense they carry) propaganda, and at least Platner is teaching all those around him to wake up. I prefer that over the other choices, why won’t other people?

Do you have those videos at hand? For the two years I have watched him, he has done nothing bad to the dog. That dog is living a better life than a lot of people I know.

Have you ever had a big dog? My cousin had a rare blue Border Collie he spoiled like a child because he paid so much for her. She’d alway scratch the glass door to beg him to let her in his bedroom, which was always cold due to the AC. She’d lay down and chill/sleep on her bed for the entire day and night. She’d play a lot in the morning with the other dogs, and my cousin and I would take her for a walk at night too after gaming all day in our chairs, worse than the dogs, more sedentary, less movement.

You are exaggerating. Kaya is not being forced to lay there. She’ll leave the stream by herself, usually when someone in Hasan’s house picks her up. I’m watching him right now; Kaya hasn’t even been in the stream for the past month.

Now, if you asked me, about 85% of households I have seen in both Mexico and Texas (and most of the world, really) do not deserve to have a dog. I feel heartbroken for them, because they are left outside under the sun, ignored and forgotten. I truly believe only like 15% of them are living a barely decent life, and nobody really gives a fuck about that. Most of them will live a mediocre life inside a tiny hot backyard, being fed the same boring bland food, without anything fun to do for years. No exploration of nature, no, just a wall, barking, the annoying sound of cars waking you up your entire life and that’s it. Probably forced to commune with other dogs they don’t necessarily like or tolerate either. Shit is medieval. And I don’t care if you personally are an outlier or think you belong to the 15%; it isn’t a common practice to groom and care for them as much as Hasan or someone like my cousin do. I’m talking treating them like a literal member of the family for at least 6-7 days a week, not an accessory in your backyard or home.

And how is he manipulating me? What for? Even if he was an animal abuser, which he is not, how does that change anything of what he has said regarding other topics? He’s the only dude who has taught me to prioritize turning every opportunity into class consciousness, to focus on the message and not the messenger as much as you can, on things that actually matter, like the genocide in Gaza and Lebanon. For free. Haven’t spent a single dime.

You, in the other hand, ALWAYS attack the messenger, but never the message. Always drama, rarely anything else. I don’t trust people like that. You benefit the Jeffrey Epstein Class, MAGAs and Zionists and all those violent angry weirdos whenever you attack Hasan with this nonsense. I rather hear arguments attacking his ideas, not him. You only come across as an insincere actor trying to taint the discussion with distractions, probably because you do support the Epstein Class, MAGAs or Zionists, otherwise, what?

Are you trying to make the left look like “unreasonable extremist” people by making it seem like they care more about a dog than a genocide or the current events of the world? It’s been almost a year with the shock collar bullshit. If you genuinely care about that THAT much, I am sorry but, I can’t trust you.

Your feelings think they will do evil in the future just because, my feelings say they won’t, because China understands the importance of pleasing other countries, they are not like America who constantly seeks to profit off death like in Gaza. China is shady, but not as much as you are painting them to be. I’d say the same if it was America, at some point, countries will complain about that monopoly and shit will have to be done about it.

All companies control their own rare patents and resources, all of them use slave labor as well, and meddle with the law through the congressmen they funded with their mega donations. The oil lobby and car lobby constantly share the same whores and drugs in the yatch. The fact they couldn’t keep up with China in innovation says more about them than China. If they are not winning the people, then they deserve to lose and disappear forever, because they fucking suck, according to the people themselves who voted with their wallet, their money, period. Skill issue, get good or get eaten.

By the way, I thought the most powerful government on the planet was the USA, I am glad that finally changed. I rather China be under the spotlight, not a country ran by a pedophile.

This is what capitalism is. Deal with it, or start supporting socialism and communism so the people can own the means of production, so laws listen to the people’s interests and not some few billionaires’. Otherwise, we will keep getting monopolies everywhere.

Because you are most likely a MAGA who falls for Zionist propaganda like the shock collar bullshit. Why would anyone give a fuck what someone that stupid has to opine? You are easy to manipulate, like, really easy.

So, capitalism is bad or what? Just tell Western companies to lock in and stop fucking around. You only convinced me to consider a Chinese EV even more, because you have no evidence they will enshittify other than your negative vibes about China. Western ones, in the other hand, are already enshittified. I highly doubt a Monopoly will ever happen, you make it sound like absolutely all car companies will disappear, as if they won’t be able to adapt, like capitalism dictates they will.

I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying there. You’re also right about being kind can be more effective, but it has gotten really hard, they successfully wrecked my tolerance. Picture it:

1. I am chronically online because I am a Mexican who couldn’t go outside because of the insecurity, homicides, narcos. I’d hear gunshots near my house, and I live next to my city’s major residence, just to paint the picture of how bad it was in 2012-2014.

2. Your grand-grandfather escaped from Lebanon and Gaza, which are currently being invaded. Your small brother has Down Syndrome, he can’t talk, can’t clean himself, can choke on food, and then you see people online wishing people like him didn’t exist just because they make them uncomfortable.

3. Videogames, the Internet and school were my only human interactions. Parties and hanging out with your friends wasn’t as possible, it was a gamble for your life, one I still took with my cousin, a narcissist junior who’d treat me like a shadow, mock me for being overweight, humiliate me in front of his friend, but would still treat me like a brother in private, I took long to grow respect for myself; would go to sketchy places at 1AM, I didn’t care, but still, that was the vibe for a long time during my childhood and others’. It fucked many of us up.

4. The “Meta of life” seems to be: the more evil you are, the more rewards. It’s difficult not to lose your mind in a world like that, especially if you have seen nothing but death your whole life, uncensored, on TV, newspapers, and the 5x times amount of weirdos at school who’d come and show you an illegal video, a snuff film of a kid our age getting beheaded just to be edgy and say they can handle it. For every weirdo like that you had in your school, we had five because we were seeing fucked up shit on the news, at home, and in social medias too, people taking photos of recent shootings or events. Always graphic. I compared that to how America reports homicides, say a school shooting, and they were lucky they are more censored and prude, they’d blur things more. Ours didn’t give a fuck for years. For empathetic people is worse, we can “feel” the pain more vividly of the people in the videos. I even had to see my middle school Spanish teacher dead in her car next to her son whom I had personally talked to at school, both filled with bullet holes. Apparently her husband was involved in sketchy shit, she had botox in all her face, she was mean, but I still felt disgustingly bad seeing that ending for them, in a newspaper, uncensored.

5. Lost faith in my government. I think the US has a lot of influence over it, so I thought paying attention to US’ politics is more productive to us, even if I get belittled for trying to opine about it without living there. I used to admire the US, I would hate whoever they hated, but ever since the “grab them by the pussy” scandal in 2016, I have encountered nothing but hate, anger, insults, even while I was very kind, everyday, even in irrelevant places like an Overwatch or CoD match. If I speak in the mic, I attract a lot of racists because of my accent. I have my mic disconnected now, for everything I play, I don’t socialize anymore, I play solo. They started with the “snowflake” insult because we were being “too nice” and so on… It’s been a whole decade of disappointment and injustice after disappointment and injustice like that, and I can’t just tune out and ignore it, my country is on fire everywhere I go. “Politics” forced its way inside our home long ago, and dude’s still here, emptying our fridge. We can’t do anything about it, because violence is bad, we keep getting told. We have to curl into a ball and take it all in. No matter how hard we try the legal way, these wages and opportunities are going to kill us very slowly and silently, with a mediocre conformist life.

The bar increasingly amped up, it really sucks. It’s hard for me to not feel a lot of anger when I see even the slightest bit of red anymore, I really hate it, I used to be super chill, I had a YouTube channel where I made people laugh with goofy ass animations, my weird accent and nothing else. I still love being goofy, but fuck, I think they successfully depressed a lot of people with their doomscrolling algorithms and bots. I don’t see the endgame of that, I refuse to believe they want us to attack them, because that’s what it feels like: they are provoking us, laughing in our faces, especially with the Jeffrey files thing. I don’t get it. Are they pulling an Ozymandias from Watchmen or what? They aren’t that smart, or that benevolent. It has to be excessive narcissism, they don’t sound that different from an insecure childish narco who will happily blow your head off just for rubbing them off a little. Homelander, literally.

Even when I summarize, they will shit on the ideas and intent. I do still keep it short and kinder in other platforms, like YouTube. It’s only in Reddit and Lemmy where I write this long, I don’t know why, I always saw these online forums as that. 4chan (have never used it, but have seen posts), general forums from the 90s, etc. sometimes had sizeable walls of text.

All I’m gonna opine last is: I believe we should somehow convince people of reading more. That’s it. An educated society is what they fear the most. I will try and do better, get up again if I fail. I am betting on “humiliate people who believe might makes right,” which are most of the Alpha Male type of people, right-wings who think they are winning, but still can’t afford a family. There are plenty of those here in Lemmy, but yeah, they are rare. I am wasting these on people who don’t deserve this level of flak or anger, I will leave, I already said everything I could say in Lemmy anyway. To keep repeating it is just going to be pointless. I will try and rely on short one-line jokes again, these didn’t work.

Disgusting demon. I started watching Hasan because I wanted to understand why were my family in Gaza and Lebannon being invaded by Israel. I had my doubts about Israel, I didn’t think they were that evil, but I spiraled after seeing what they’d do to my people. Hasan has been the only influencer who kept me from rotting worse, I know how to separate Jews from Zionists. I don’t blame all Jews like A LOT of people are doing so online. I only dislike the Zionists and Netanyahu’s government.

You are only sorry that you have been exposed as someone who still defends America’s imperialism. You live under an authoritarian regime too, you dounce. You never had real democracy or freedom in your life. You are NOT A MEGA DONOR, you have not donated even a million dollars to a candidate’s campaign you wanted to see win. You were always forced to elect between politician A who appeals to sympathy, or politician B who appeals to empathy, both with a touch of apathy for the other. Both ready to answer the interests of the rich, but not yours. The fact you keep attacking me and not these ideals, says a lot about your true intentions here. Grow the fuck up if I am wrong. Be better.

I am also a Mexican (one of Hasan’s 35 in total that watch him), who has constantly dealt with racism online, not only from Americans, but also Europeans and Asians. We have a lot of stereotypes you love to abuse. You always ignore us, belittle us, insult us. And when we try to be heard, you say exactly shit like this. Always. You are an asshole, dude. I have seen nothing but death in my life. People hanged in my city, beheaded, getting shot in the head while eating outside, children being targetted, lost my Spanish teacher and his son who was my classmate once. All thanks to America.

And still you say I don’t care about Hasan or his community, when I am literally defending them from your banal statements? You make no sense, dude. What are you? An Asmongold fan? Ethan Klein? Ethan Klein fans moved from calling Hasan and everyone who supports him a pedophile to the dog shock collar thing ever since he lost that defamation lawsuit against that billionaire he called a pedophile too. Sexpestiny, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate, Sneako, Nux, Tectone, or even Fox News, David Path Beckam or whatever his name is, which of all his wacko ass haters are you a fan of? Stop wasting people’s times, show your real colors already. The dog shock collar thing is almost a year old now, it’s akin to the people who sent death threats to PirateSoftware just because of a fucking World of Warcraft dungeon, which he wasn’t even at fault. You behave exactly like those hivemind drones.

There is a word limit in these boxes of text. That means the people behind this platform decided that there should be a maximum amount of characters that they consider the “maximum reasonable amount of text a human of this community might read in a post”. You are seeing that limit in my comment. It’s literally one single page of any book in a library.

As I told the other person; people on both sides are conditioning themselves to hate reading long texts. That’s very dangerous, and one big reason we are all in this shithole we yearn to get out of. We need to educate ourselves, but, it’s hard when people can create an insane lie in just a sentence, while you need walls of text to properly dismantle it. It’s hard to do it justice with that amount. I guess that’s why I never used Twitter in my life, the limit. I love reading people’s thoughts, no matter how long. Hate to see that social medias are truly weakening us, because this only benefits the elite, the rich who want us dumb, the Jeffrey Epstein class, and I don’t think I am exaggerating, we all know they want us dumb, so. This is what part of that looks like: People who hate to read more than 500 words in like 3 minutes or even less. I think it’s over. They won, man. GG. I will keep writing, but only because it feels good and liberating, that’s all there is to it. I will just have to ignore the repetitive comments. I’ve seen them since I was 12, lol, they just became way more brazen and common, it sucks.

And I don’t want to be around someone who benefits the pedophiles and Jeffrey Epstein Class like you.

Go on and keep attacking the few voices we still have that spread class consciousness. This is the exact reason you will never have even a quarter of the joyful life baby boomers had, you moral purist demon. You are morally inferior to everyone in Hasan’s community for this crappy ass behavior. You generalized them all based on me, and I am literally one of their biggest outliers. I got permabanned in Twitch because I told an Asmongold viewer to go fuck themselves after they were publicly making fuck of Palestinians getting bombed.

You are literally someone who is benefiting people like Asmongold, when you say shit like this, so, fuck off. The time for stupid people like you is over. We don’t have to appease or appeal you. Stay behind in the darkness if that is what you want.

Don’t worry, this is my last response then, read it all or not, up to you, I don’t wanna further bore you so:

MAGAs can create a lie in one sentence, but you need walls to do it justice when dismantling it. Both sides are conditioning themselves to not read long texts, so, yeah, gg. This will benefit MAGAs the most, hence the reason I call everyone who says these things a MAGA, to quickly shame them, because I truly see it as part of their culture. I have never said anything like that in my life, ever since I was 12, I love reading the thoughts of people. Yeah, we are all different, but, why publicly complain, though? Just don’t read the rest and that’s it. Why announce to people that you didn’t read the rest? What do you get from that other than look lazy and inspire others to be lazy too?

MAGAs are known for being anti-intellectual. Not saying that I say intellectual shit, I know I am crude and offensive, I can see you pulling an insult there, but, the mere action of reading, conditioning your brain to consume a lot, which is an important pillar for that; they don’t do that, and they are proud of it. Why sound like them? MAGAs are the ones who always abuse the “Too long didnt read lol” “take your meds, schizo, old man, grandpa” “i am not reading all of that, libtard” etc. They use the most banal and primitive responses possible. I hate to see people who were supposed to be the “smart side” sound very similar in that aspect too, you know? Treat reading like they treat the gym; as something only the strong can do, which is real anyway; you do need resilience to read long texts, or else you get a headache.

Using social medias as a reason is just heartbreaking. Just another reminder that they are truly weakening people. We need to educate ourselves more than ever. Class consciousness and all that. Teachers are quitting, they are not getting paid enough, they are being replaced with cheaper lazier ones who use AI to assign and grade everything. To keep this “reading sucks” attitude is just going to further shrink your dicks and hurt everyone in the long run. At least consume a lot of movies and TV shows, and I mean a lot, all of IMDB’s top 250 movies, shows, animations, even if it’s background noise in a secondary monitor. That’s at least a lot better than not reading at all if you find it that annoying.

No matter who you watch, you will still be someone who will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at your age, like 7+ children, a home at 19 years old, economic stability, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree.

You fell for the bullshit they say about Hasan. You are not smart enough to opine on anything. You are either a Zionist, a blue MAGA who still thinks the USA is redeemable (American Exceptionalism / Imperialist), you hate China with the same passion as Trump and you still call yourself a democrat, or simply a fool who says things like “I would rather watch a different streamer” when you have yourself never watched Hasan’s stream. You are already opining about who he is, what should people do regarding him, trying to imply nobody should watch him because he “calls his audience hopeless incels” when he literally does not do that, no one ever said he did that either. Right wing MAGA morons are not his audience. You suck. It’s always the same type of people. Same patterns.

You are either a MAGA or a Jeffrey Class supporter if you still blindly attack or hate Hasan. Especially if you always attack his persona, not his ideals. It’s so obvious, whenever people focus on the dog or some niche drama, what they are truly about.

sorry, i lost my mind again

I am a dumb average guy who is not an economist. Could you please explain the differences?

She already flipped. That doesn’t mean we have to talk to her or be around her, because it’s super fresh. We should only do that after she has repaired most of the damage she has done, but the toll is massive, and she still holds and announces a lot of stupid ideals that cause damage to innocent people right now. Remember she did this just 5 years ago and her attitude about any of that hasn’t really changed. (It’s that video of her harassing a school shooting survivor). She still does and says shit like that, it’s so fresh.

The fact you want to “include her in the table” just because she changed her opinion in one single thing for a few weeks is insane. It comes across as you trying to sabotage the people, as if you want them to let their guard down, become easy to manipulate and so on. Introduce more Fettermans, trojan horses. Not saying that’s what you are doing, I do understand your position, you are not bad, you are forgiving quickly, that takes a lot of strength after seeing what these MAGAs have said and done every holy day since 2016, including the thousands of hundreds of deaths their greed and policies have caused. I’m just gonna say: be attentive. These people are psychopaths and decent enough at acting.

And if you use whataboutism with Graham Platner, it won’t hit the same. Platner has shown growth for over a decade. What he did in the past is heavy, it’s difficult to forgive, but we still need to learn how to measure redemption properly; we can’t hold grudges forever. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep an eye on Platner if he wins. The moment he begins to show us that he lied, the people should bring justice and stop him asap. We just have to normalize that healthy and obligatory level of aggression we need as a society to be able to put corruption in jail as soon as it shows its face, before it corrupts its surroundings.

Let her do her thing; if you agree with what she is saying, do not interfere. If she says something insane, criticize it. We shouldn’t let her influence us, though. I’d highlight the word “influence,” it’s different from listening, which we can and should do, as long as it is productive and not her usual bullshit, which again, hasn’t changed much yet. That’s all.

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