• teslasaur@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    My stance is as they say in Poland.

    Not my monkeys, not my circus. I just dont care.

    It doesn’t affect me in the slightest, other than a minimal amount of the taxes i pay go towards treatment of their illness. Although, i find it slightly hypocritical that they are allowed to start changing gender before 18. Would seem that many other things should be allowed before 18 aswell in that case.

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      I can’t speak as to Polish law, but kids are allowed to do quite a bit before the age of 18 in the US. Going on puberty blockers - to delay a puberty that could damn well be an irreversible scar on the psyche - is hardly an opening for a shakeup of the legal position of minors.

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        Not Polish, its just a Polish saying.

        I’m not convinced that a kid can make that judgement. Certainly not before puberty. But that might just be my own unwavering feeling of comfort in my own sex talking.

        If a doctor makes a judgement of it, then my opinion doesn’t matter.

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          Puberty blockers aren’t OTC, they’re prescribed by doctors. The kid’s not making the judgement so much as they’re bringing up the medical issue to a professional.

          I was diagnosed with depression at a fairly young age, just entering into my teens, but I only got in to see a psych to begin with because I was worried enough to self-advocate. Can’t really imagine what it would be like if I was told that I was too young to understand depression and turned out on my metaphorical ass.

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    I support trans people’s right to exist and to be able to live happy lives 🤘 ❤️ crazy how so many transphobes obsess over trans people. most of them haven’t even met a trans person

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      I always equate these things just to human rights and the fact that someone is trans doesn’t automatically negate their right to live or be happier or prosperous. The fact that they’re trans should have no effect on basic human rights.

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      the whole (he/him) in my email signature was a wild ride… like do I add it even though I’m CIS/hetero/boring? I see all the middle aged white women in my office doing it, and that means it’s a few weeks from HR making a vague rule about it… I’m not conservative, but I don’t want to be some fake virtue signaler, since I don’t really know any trans people… but I don’t want to give some kind of passive approval of intolerance by NOT adding it… will HR flag me if I do add it? or if I don’t?

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    This is where I fall off with liberals. “Lose the Trans talking points, they are holding the DNC back.”

    How about first we try losing the DNC talking points. They’ve been in charge this whole time and I didn’t see trans people allow fascism to wash over the states while they were at the head of the government.

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      23 hours ago

      You arent going to win any elections catering to 1% of the total population and alienating a large part of it. I would say that is just common sense politics at this point.

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        Our current system is predicated upon catering to the wealthiest (0.)1% which keeps winning them elections. Abusers of power get to frame their own opposition, and so you have things like poor people being blamed for the excesses of the rich. So you have people start swearing off avocado toast they never bought in the first place instead of proper italian plumbing.

        Trans-rights have never actually been an issue. Anti-trans people are the issue because they made their issue everyone elses.

        Abusers deflect and redirect onto their targets so they never have to defend themselves. It isn’t that trans people want to survive, it’s that there’s motherfuckers that don’t want trans people to exist.

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        Protecting the rights of individuals is not catering to 1% of the total population. Its the bare minimum in a supposed civilized democracy. You can never, ever, compromise on protecting individuals that are causing no harm to others and just trying to navigate through the world.

        Do we need to showcase the trans issue? No. We need politicians that are better at navigating the media environment and can effectively strategize against the GOP propaganda machine.

        If you do that first, you wouldn’t have an issue with trans people. For fuck sakes make an attempt at it even and if they are capable and what I say is wrong, fine, expel the trans people from the party. Except, accept you will never be a party of values only one of opposition, so be cautious of ever trying to claim morality after that point.

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      Lose the gun talking point.

      Dems be Beto O’Rourke’ing every election

      This is the moment that O’Rourke lost texas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMVhL6OOuR0

      2nd amendment can serve an important purpose, kill traitors who are violating the constitution.

      Unfortunately, dems managed to convince people left-of-center to disarm, while the far-right have become the majority of gun owners.

      Thanks, Democrats. You did the job for the fascists.

      Gun are great. End fascism where the idea begins 🧠 by using the 2A

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        it is like watching interdimensional cable from Rick and Morty “in this reality it is normal to carry guns and the discussion is which side of the aisle has more”

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        I have been saying this for years, as someone who lives in Texas: If the Dems stopped talking about “taking away guns”, then Progressive policies/candidates would win in landslide elections constantly.

        I voted for Beto, donated to his campaign, had his yard sign, etc. But I knew that sound clip was going to haunt him forever.

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          I am far from a one issue voter, but the louder you are against the working class being armed, the slimmer the chances of me voting for you.

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            Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

            • Karl Marx

            It’s one of things we actually agree with rightoids about… Democrat strategy is stupid beyond belief; who are the anti-gun libs going to vote for, the Republicans?

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        I feel like… this is half baked… but I feel like the gun stuff should be … states rights? Push it down to the state level. Let texas be texas. Let new york or new york city specifically have its own laws. Make right wing people argue against states rights some more.

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          But the gun stuff is a constitutional issue, which is the complete opposite of states rights.

          Abortion was pushed back to a states rights thing because there was no federal laws on the books and they scrapped the right to privacy interpretation it was previously under. The right wing is happy to argue against states rights for a national abortion ban, especially when they are losing at the state level.

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    The trans agenda is not that simple. I support their right to exist. I am fully against the pipeline to trans that I’ve seen in schools. You are only allowed to encourage a confused teenager, if you push back at all you are fired.

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      They don’t need pushed, or influenced, or anything other than a safe space to be themselves, and find out what that means to them. People who are atypical already have plenty of pushback from everyday society, I don’t think we need to worry about making someone trans when they’re not.

      I have two young male children, who both prefer playing with girls to playing with boys. When we casually mentioned that some boys have vaginas and some girls have penises, they separately decided that each of them is, in fact, a boy who like to play with girls. Because that’s who they are, and I doubt we could convince them otherwise.

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    “non-trans” normal person here, and I think everyone who has a problem with trans / queer / whatever people is a fucking moron. I absolutely support the “trans agenda”

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        I am fully aware what some people use, but it is a made-up word of the English language and I won’t apply it to myself. I don’t have a problem with people using it, but it’s not my vocabulary. It neither has an inherent sense, nor does it have any added value in most context. I respect that it helps to normalize specifying whatever gender one associates with when “cis” people also do it, as opposed to only having trans / non-binary people to specify “what” they identify as. But my solidarity extends only to full acceptance and tolerance, not to changing how I “identify” myself :p

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            That’s not quite how a natural language like English works. There’s a bunch of mess and idioms and “technically correct” is almost never how things start to get used in real life. Thus often it happens that whatever is the majority becomes the default, like for instance cisgender is a concept that almost never has to be used because 99% of people are cisgender. Not that it’s not a valid term, it’s just a term that’s almost universally redundant.

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            No, that part (cis) is a prefix and means “on this side of”. And for “on this side of gender” to mean what cisgender is used as, is a newly agreed-upon thing in the evolution of LGBTQ culture.

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              But when you say things like ‘“non-trans” normal person’ it sounds like you’re saying it isn’t normal to be trans. Why not just say “non-trans” or “cis” instead of saying “normal person”?

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          but it is a made-up word of the English language

          Interesting, because every word you’ve used is made-up word of the English language.

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            I think he’s referring to the difference of descriptive vs prescriptive. I mean, some english words and concepts just become standard without anyone trying to make them that.

            Terms like cisgender or “they” as a pronoun on identical level to “he” and “she” is an example of trying to be prescriptive. You would never have to correct people with native level language skills on the correct use of these words if they weren’t.

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    hugs. hugs to all my trans sisters, brothers, siblings. we need each other now more than ever.

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    I support not hating or attacking people for their uniqueness and individuality but I’m not going to wear a badge or wave a placard. I will speak up or attempt to defend anyone being hated or attacked but I don’t have a chip on my shoulder and am not looking for a fight. Don’t take any shit from the haters. Haters are less, you are not!

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      Well clearly it’s my trans neighbor with no money and no power who is making me not have free healthcare, unions, and a house and not billionaires.

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    My transmission is a whiny bitch and should not have it’s agenda supported!

    Wait we’re talking about trans folks? Sure I’ll support them.

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      My trans is an automatic. It’s fine, but I much prefer the manual ones with the stick I can really wrap my hand around and slide up and down and up and down… and up and down.