It’s a classic problem with mass civil disobedience. All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who’ll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows. Then they can frame the entire movement as violent and base.
Im not advocating against civil disobedience, but you need solidarity to avoid this.
Bad people distort narratives regardless of the actions of others… No matter what she did, my first wife was always the victim. DARVO is a thing, identify it and ignore it. These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting does not disqualify their complaints. Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction to the original violation against them.
Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction
I 100% agree.
These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting
But this doesn’t mean that revolutionary action demands we hold the delusional belief that this market was looted because the protestors were on the brink of starvation or had no access to clean water or medical supplies.
They smashed that shop to bits because it was fun and an opportunity to rob some vapes.
Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted
If you strip away everything that has made them an individual, yes you’re right. But I think that just highlights that your argument is a pointless distinction.
If you swapped me out at birth with a Nazi general, there’s a good chance I’d be driven down the same life path.
Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they’ve adopted in life, that wouldn’t destroy a corner shop for no reason. That wouldn’t assault a woman trying to protect her place of work.
Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they’ve adopted in life, that wouldn’t destroy a corner shop for no reason.
No human chose how to be brought into the world. Your argument is not substantive.
Empathy is the path forward. Othering outgroups is not. We have plenty of research to back this up.
All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who’ll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows.
Which is EXACTLY what the Elites do as matter of routine. They just don’t like it when it gets turned on THEM.
So I’m sure you’ll agree it’s much better to loot an apple store or burn down a billionaires mansion rather than smash a corner shop to bits and assault other working class people.
It’s a classic problem with mass civil disobedience. All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who’ll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows. Then they can frame the entire movement as violent and base.
Im not advocating against civil disobedience, but you need solidarity to avoid this.
Bad people distort narratives regardless of the actions of others… No matter what she did, my first wife was always the victim. DARVO is a thing, identify it and ignore it. These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting does not disqualify their complaints. Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction to the original violation against them.
I 100% agree.
But this doesn’t mean that revolutionary action demands we hold the delusional belief that this market was looted because the protestors were on the brink of starvation or had no access to clean water or medical supplies.
They smashed that shop to bits because it was fun and an opportunity to rob some vapes.
Greed. Its in all of us, and the filthy rich love exploiting the them, as they easier to manipulate.
This is something the greedy want you to believe, and an insult to the majority of humanity who would never act like this.
Every human is a human. We are a product of our (largely shared) genetics and circumstance.
Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted. We are all the same.
People get very defensive about this, but the only counter I ever hear is “nuh uh.”
If you strip away everything that has made them an individual, yes you’re right. But I think that just highlights that your argument is a pointless distinction.
If you swapped me out at birth with a Nazi general, there’s a good chance I’d be driven down the same life path.
Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they’ve adopted in life, that wouldn’t destroy a corner shop for no reason. That wouldn’t assault a woman trying to protect her place of work.
First of all that was just a “nuh uh.” But,
No human chose how to be brought into the world. Your argument is not substantive.
Empathy is the path forward. Othering outgroups is not. We have plenty of research to back this up.
Well if your rebuttal is simply determinism then I think you’ll find that nobody’s arguments can possibly contain any substance.
Agreed.
Nobody has been othered. In fact using it in this way dilutes the word as its simply rhetoric intended to censor discussion behind a purity test.
Doesn’t change that it’s in all of us even if you don’t personally act on it.
We all have it in our capacity to do great good or great evil in the world.
But that’s exactly why this makes all the difference. The capacity for action is meaningless, as you state, we all possess it.
Which is EXACTLY what the Elites do as matter of routine. They just don’t like it when it gets turned on THEM.
So I’m sure you’ll agree it’s much better to loot an apple store or burn down a billionaires mansion rather than smash a corner shop to bits and assault other working class people.
This is why I’m glad for videos like this one, showing the reasonable people
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