Do not talk to me about Dawkinsian sense, I was there where it got Elevated. /meme
Doesn’t matter if it’s a Wikipedia screenshot, it’s a Wikipedia screenshot documenting an ancient meme. Like how the pic above is a widely propagated meme about a video game scene that actually refers to Dawkinsian stuff. Geddit?
Sure - a meme is a unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another, often propagating throughout a community and frequently subject to a form of cultural evolution.
I know what Dawkins wrote but that definition is so all-encompassing to be unhelpful outside a specific area of discussion which is why in everyday parlance it’s not used.
True. Alrighty, I’ll accept that in the very original Dawkinsian sense, this can be considered a meme, if you squint. I still think it goes against the spirit of the community because the context is the internet in which the word means something else.
While I sympathize with your frustration, this is the same question we were asking at the fin de ciecle over Duchamp’s Fontaine over “is this art?” - and has been repeated in “what is theatre/fiction?” “Is borat fiction?” “Is an advertisement a movie?” “Are documentaries neccessarily non fiction?” which leads you all the way back to epistemology, the Socratic method, and a state of aporia.
The only reasonable conclusion is “if anyone says it’s a meme it’s a meme”
I don’t think I agree. I’d define an “internet meme” as an inside joke (in the very broadest of senses) shared on the internet. There needs to be a certain number of people who agree that it’s funny and worth repeating and propagating for it to qualify. Like the original idea definition of a “meme”, really, where an idea only becomes a cultural unit once it leaps from one mind to another. Also, Milhouse is not a meme.
A meme is a joke told in the form of a funny picture on the internet. This screenshot from Wikipedia may not be a typical meme, but it does have the structure of a joke, including a punch line.
Please enlighten me as to how this counts in any way as a meme.
Edit: yes, except for, very specifically, the Dawkinsian sense, if one insists.
Do not talk to me about Dawkinsian sense, I was there where it got Elevated. /meme
Doesn’t matter if it’s a Wikipedia screenshot, it’s a Wikipedia screenshot documenting an ancient meme. Like how the pic above is a widely propagated meme about a video game scene that actually refers to Dawkinsian stuff. Geddit?
Sure - a meme is a unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another, often propagating throughout a community and frequently subject to a form of cultural evolution.
I know what Dawkins wrote but that definition is so all-encompassing to be unhelpful outside a specific area of discussion which is why in everyday parlance it’s not used.
If you don’t like the meaning of the word “meme”, you don’t need to use c/memes.
The meme is the idea of the serial killer that was propagated through the law enforcement community.
True. Alrighty, I’ll accept that in the very original Dawkinsian sense, this can be considered a meme, if you squint. I still think it goes against the spirit of the community because the context is the internet in which the word means something else.
While I sympathize with your frustration, this is the same question we were asking at the fin de ciecle over Duchamp’s Fontaine over “is this art?” - and has been repeated in “what is theatre/fiction?” “Is borat fiction?” “Is an advertisement a movie?” “Are documentaries neccessarily non fiction?” which leads you all the way back to epistemology, the Socratic method, and a state of aporia.
The only reasonable conclusion is “if anyone says it’s a meme it’s a meme”
I don’t think I agree. I’d define an “internet meme” as an inside joke (in the very broadest of senses) shared on the internet. There needs to be a certain number of people who agree that it’s funny and worth repeating and propagating for it to qualify. Like the original
ideadefinition of a “meme”, really, where an idea only becomes a cultural unit once it leaps from one mind to another. Also, Milhouse is not a meme.I mean per my previous comment: define “inside” “joke” “shared” “internet” “certain number” “agree” “one mind” “another mind”…
I could email myself the letter “e” and then say “this is funny” to myself and it would meet this definition
There’s still only one mind involved in your scenario.
A meme is a joke told in the form of a funny picture on the internet. This screenshot from Wikipedia may not be a typical meme, but it does have the structure of a joke, including a punch line.
It’s a self replicating idea
It is a screenshot of text. Obviously that makes it the meme-est meme of all memes.
The meme is that it’s an anti-meme. Very, very meta. Peak shitposting.
Perhaps the phantom itself was the meme by definition of those days, at the dawn of the Internet… (:
I was there, Gandalf, I was there 3000 years ago. It wasn’t a meme.