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My parents say to me to look for immigration in US and seeing things like this makes me more scared.
I have a friend who immigrated to the US, and then moved to Canada and became a citizen there. He likes it much better, he never wants to come back to the US haha. Maybe you could get your parents to switch to Canada or somewhere else instead if they don’t want to give up on this? I live in the US and I personally cannot recommend immigrating here, especially right now.
Well, I don’t wanna leave my city, let alone my country. I cannot make that understand to my parents but I just love the place where I am born even though it is not much safe place and it is one of those third world countries in South Asia.
Those who sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind
If those Republicans could read a Bible, they’d be very upset.
And they’ll still go on and on about the radical violent left 🙄
There are literally some of those braindead child-raping scumfuck parasitic wastes of skin in this very comment section claiming apropos of nothing that “leftist violence” is happening “all the time” and it’s “right in front of us” as they gesture broadly at absolutely fuck-all jack shit zilch.
In their minds, the left did it first.
And in their historical precedent, they accuse us of doing exactly what they’re about to do to us
This is something Democrats and the DNC need to understand: Republicans are willing to kill for their beliefs.
Until the DNC stops believing that Republicans will be “reasonable”, Democrats will fail our country. It’s only a matter of time until Trump has his version of the night of the long knives.
Just look at that AI post he made calling anyone opposed to AI traitors. His handlers are going to stop fucking around soon.
What post is that
The DNC is also willing to kill for their beliefs but Palestinians only please.
The DNC failed this country a long time ago, in what feels like a galaxy far, far away.
‘We’re doomed.’
Democracy was doomed when Nixon wasn’t convicted of treason and sent to the firing squad.
People today are too far gone from the reality of our situation to understand this. Democracy is only meant to prevent killing one another en masse, as a means to say who would probably win in a war. That’s the very basis of its design.
Think about it. Think of human history. And why is the cutoff exactly >50%? Strength means victory- if not a pyrrhic one.
If you aren’t even willing to vote for your beliefs, you certainly aren’t willing to pickup a rifle. The other side still will.
There’s an absolute metric ton of domestic and foreign born propaganda out there trying to convince US citizens to pick up a rifle instead of voting.
Vote.
But it’s only as good as genuine strength makes it count. Does anyone really think angry letters are enough? Our species is not actually passive; although proper education and acceptance of one another’s opinions could maybe one day get us there. Perhaps.
But probably not.
yes. We need to get rid of the ability for media companies to influence our voters, and rich interests to buy our politicians. Until then we are cooked, and the rest of the world is cooked in direct proportion to how much America can mess with them to satisfy some rich persons special interest.
Its hard to chart a path to get to a better result though. Clowns will say just voting will do it, but voting in a captured system will get you an outcome thats permitted by the rich, not one that will fundamentally change the game. Its like cows voting that they not be slaughtered. No one wants a revolution, but how do we get there without one? sit ins? voting in primaries? sternly worded letters? protests in protest zones? I dont have any answers either, but I feel like we have to think more creatively than just adopting what worked in the 60s or using revolution. We arent in the 60s anymore. Protests like those arent tolerated anymore, and the Dems are as bad as the repubs on repressing dissent.
I mean, the amount of cheering and celebrating at Charlie Kirks death pretty much shows that both sides are only leaving the other alive because jail is a powerful de-motivator.
But it’s only good enough to keep a person civil if they think they have something to lose. Make society bad enough and people start seeing violence not as a last resort but as a first option.
Kirk’s death was celebrated because he said that “a few deaths from gun violence were fine to justify gun liberty”. Kids dying at school were ok but his death wasn’t? Kinda double standard, don’t you think?
His beliefs killed him, we should be happy he died thanks to what he believed most.
Also, he thought empathy was a weakness, why should we show empathy for him? To show we are weak? Nah, he died, we laugh because that’s what he would have wanted.
Awe. *sniff. You do care!
Thank god for dead Charlie Kirks.
bOtHsIdEs
But you damn well better not besmirch a dead Charlie Kirk.
Hypocrites. Assholes. Literal morons.
And Facebook has empowered these people.
I’ve seen cases they say simillar things like this on Facebook but encode it a bit, and Facebook never removes it.
Happy we might get new social media laws here in Australia to finally be able to opt out of empowering these assholes
I lived in SE Idaho during the Obama years and I lost track of how many times adults openly talked about shooting or hanging the President. My daughters reported that children on the bus would also fantasize and openly talk about killing the President. This is not even surprising for me, which is sad.
Fascists are unbelievably violent. Who woulda thought?
I don’t advocate shooting conservatives because that is highly inefficient. Conservatives despise “woke” regulations protecting their water and air, so they have removed those regulations. We can now legally exterminate millions of them without ever breaking a single law. I do advocate for that. Our enemy will kill us all if we don’t stop them by force.
There’ll be two responses from them on that 1. They were misheard. and/or 2. The were just kidding.
I’ll have two responses to that; 1) bullshit, and 2) fuck you
Of course they’re going to have responses. Shove them right back in their faces.
My two responses are bullet calibers depending on range.
Literal cult
Are we really just going to ignore the fact that both sides do this? Can we all agree BOTH sides and ALL violence is bad?
Ahh yes, I remember all the times that DNC guests called for shooting Republicans.
Yes. Because one side wants to kill anyone who’s not basically a “perfect white american” (according to their own values) and the other is trying to survive.
Violence is almost never the answer. Except when you fight fascists and nazis, then violence is the only answer and solution.
“Violence is only justified when WE say it is!”
Said everybody.
Read a history book.
Do you know how often violence is the answer?
Educate yourself for 10 minutes before you look like a moron.
Governments and rich people didn’t give shit to poor people because they asked nicely.
Your naivety is shocking.
Nazis want to kill me because I’m different (read non a “true american”). My life doesn’t endanger theirs nor affects their lives. Yet they want me dead.
I want them dead because that way I can live. So yeah, one is justified, the other is not. Sorry if this hurt your nazi feelings, but the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
“I want them dead because that way I can live” -every Republican calling for Democrat murders right now.
“Our violence is justified, the other is not.”
Said everybody.
And you believe both 100%?
You stupid, bro?
One is violence born from irrational hatred. The other is violence born from self-defence. If you can’t tell the difference, there’s nothing more to be said to you.
How does a trans person endanger a republican? Or a gay? Or an autistic? Or an inmigrant? How? Is there a trans cabal trying to make every kid transition? Is there a gay secret society trying to make everyone gay so we go extinct? No, no, it has to be the autistic illuminati, right?
Meanwhile, republican nazis have the ice gestapo, rfk jr is talking about sending autistic people to “farms” and trying to make trans as miserable as possible. But hey, bOtH SidEs!!!1!11!!!1
I support trans rights and gay rights as human rights, and the right for everyone to be left alone to do what they like as long as it doesnt harm others, and that you are the sovereign of your own body-- no one gets to tell you how to be or who to have consensual sex with. But its are a bad marketing method to counter republican philosophy, and to get people to rally around it as a key point-- we should really stick with human rights as our attack strategy on that one.
Authoritarians choose gay and trans rights as their preferred battleground to attack human rights and push authoritarian outcomes-- because it works. We should Insist on universal human rights and the rights to be left alone to your own choices. No one really disagrees with that. Thats how we win gay and trans rights, and onto civil rights and privacy too. We draw a line at insisting everyone stay out of the business of others unless invited, and when people charge into your bedroom with their ideas, they should be treated as home invaders. Authoritarians love that castle doctrine stuff, why dont we piggyback on that to get them out of our lives?
We should Insist on universal human rights and the rights to be left alone to your own choices.
Right, so long as those choices aren’t causing needless harm.
No one really disagrees with that.
Uh, yes they do, and they’re actively killing us, hence the need for defense.
For example, I wish Kirk had stopped spreading hate while he was alive. But he didn’t. Now that he is dead, he can’t do that anymore. This is a good thing that potentially saved a lot of lives.
The rhetoric to justify violence is the same either way, which is the point.
Are you like, literally brain damaged? Who allowed you on the internet? Can you put your caretaker on so I can let them know you’re sneaking around their rules?
So you don’t believe in self defense?
Just because the rhetoric might have similarities in some very narrow hypothetical does not make these things equivalent.
I would recommended reading Popper’s paradox on tolerance, too…
You’re not even trying to be honest here, aren’t you? Do you really think nazis are the victims here?
But it’s not even remotely the same. You can’t make something true be just repeating it you simpleton.
You’ve been shown multiple times that it is not actually the same tho. You are just refusing to listen.
Nah. You are a proven liar and your comments can be disregarded out of hand.
You can stop with the nazi gaslighting attempts. That fake “both-sides” shit doesn’t fool progressives.
All conservatives are pathological liars.
Man, once you understand how cause and effect works, you may actually eventually understand how things work.
1- One side advocates for killing people I love
2- I advocate removing the thing that wants to remove my loved ones
3- Dumbasses think both sides are the same.
When your brain fully develops, you’ll understand that point 2 cannot exist without point 1. Without something to drive the need for violence, violence won’t happen. But if one side has to us v them to get and stay in power, are you expecting the other side to roll over and accept death?
Spoiler: yeah, you’re blaming the victims for wanting to defend themselves against random violence by bigots
Quick question: What do you call someone who defends nazis?
Stop defending nazis.
This is the Nazi version of “quit hitting yourself”
“Everybody thinks their own violence is justified.”
“You’re a NAZI!”
Lemmy is consistent, at least.
You think we should do nothing while we are slaughtered? Have you actually thought about this at all?
Hypothetically, a person is coming to torture and kill your loved ones, then you. As long as they are alive, they will never stop trying. They’ve jammed communications, you can’t reach anyone else for help.
You’d stand there and watch everyone die while pretending to have the moral high ground?
We are consistent in identifying nazis.
This has to be satire, right?
Seems like no. They appear to be Republican themselves and are attempting to defend them….
It’s a statistical fact that rightwing violence is WAY more common in the US than leftwing violence, so you can take that both sides shit somewhere else where it’s actually relevant.
🤣🤣😆😄🤣🤣 Nope. 😃 You are lying.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every. Word.
Wow, you’ve really convinced me with all of the sources for your totally real and not baseless claim!
Huh?
lol, look at this kid trotting out “both sides” after repeatedly saying only dems kill people or want them dead. He’s so adorable when pretending to have empathy!
I hope you’re mistaken for a brown person by your precious ICE crusaders.
No, we do not agree. NONE of the democratic leaders calls for the execution of political opponents like Trump does. Both sides apply only to single nobody in the crowd, but I do not care about those to be honest. Those will always exists. Both sides is just a way to distract from the fact the sitting president is asking for the hanging of the senators of the opposition.
For fucks sake how and when did that happen?
20 nov 2025:
Trump accuses Democrats of ‘seditious behavior, punishable by death,’ for urging military to ignore illegal orders
From Trump account:
Hang them George Washington would
Don’t you have other crosses to burn somewhere?
Lol you all are absolutely horrific. It is incredibly sad you all are in an echo chamber of violence justification.
🤣🤣 Go back to StormFront or Nambla or wherever conservatives like to hang out these days.
Ooh, sorry kid, I’m afraid that little nugget of undeniable truth is gonna cost you about a bajillion downvotes.
See, when we call for murder it’s completely justified because they’re bad people. When they call for murder it’s not justified at all because they’re trying to kill good people.
And they definitely don’t think the same thing about us, because deep down they really know that they’re evil and that they deserve it - they just refuse to admit it. Either that or they’re not people at all, whichever is more rhetorically useful in the moment.
Edit: turns out the guy I responded to is an actual Republican trying to deflect, and not someone going against the grain trying to inject some sanity into the conversation. I’m leaving this comment up because it’s still true, but downvote away.
Sometimes down votes just mean you’re wrong, you know?
So they’re wrong that here on Lemmy people call for the deaths of Republicans literally every single day?
Are people on lemmy democratic leaders or speakers at democratic conventions? Or are you 100% full of shit and trying to move the goalposts in the most obvious way possible?
Ooh ooh ooh, I know this one!
It’s a false dichotomy!
It really isn’t. Your comparing mainstream members to randoms on the Internet. At best you’re being disengenous, if not outright lying to make a point.
Any idiot can say whatever dumb shit they want on the internet (as evidenced by the conversation above), but you can’t honestly say both sides are advocating for this at the party level.
Well, not without being a liar, anyway. That never stops the right and idiot centrists from crying BoTh SiDeS to things that are demonstratably coming from the right primarily.
They are you just choose not to see it.
I’m copying from another comment so I don’t have to type it again:
“The politics here are just as real as they are there. What do you think emboldened conservative leaders to spout shit like this in the first place? It’s the fact that their base supports it, and the calls for violence here on Lemmy are no different, except that we’re sympathetic to the reasons.”
You are lying. As usual.
Conservatives decided that normal people are their enemy and need to be oppressed to death. We turned the other cheek for decades. You can’t act all butt-hurt that we finally agree with you that we are enemies.
Of course I want my enemies to die. You taught me this role and insist I play it. So, now I’m playing it. Stop crying about it and get off our planet.
I don’t think you’re being genuine. You can always find people online saying ridiculous shit. You can’t control that. But when it enters the sphere of “real politics” it needs to be shutdown. I hate the guy, but even Charlie Kirk could do this. It’s a very low bar but I’m not surprised the spineless shitsack Cruz couldn’t clear it.
The politics here are just as real as they are there. What do you think emboldened conservative leaders to spout shit like this in the first place? It’s the fact that their base supports it, and the calls for violence here on Lemmy are no different, except that we’re sympathetic to the reasons.
Oh cool, I see you’re arguing just to argue. Bye.
Nah, this time you’re just wrong, you know?
Go back to /r/conservative
“People on both sides call for each other’s murders and use the same rhetoric to justify it”
“You must be a <insert other side here>!”
Real original.
We call nazis as we see them. Sorry your cover got blown. Everyone sees you as the nazi you are now, though. No putting that toothpaste back in the tube. Bye, nazi.
Undeniable truths regularly come with absolutely no proof of it happening in the face of countless news stories showing it happening from one side and not the other.
Look at literally any Lemmy political thread, likely including this one within the hour, for all the proof you need.
No. You’re conflating two vastly different things, and I’m not letting you move the goalposts
Calls for Democrats to be shot heard during Republican convention speech
Only one side admits they’re domestic terrorists, but I’m sure you’ll try to say both sides do because some random on the Internet said it too
This is literally what I’ve been arguing from my first comment, and I’m not letting you put words in my mouth.
Lemmings call for domestic terrorism all the time - you’re just sympathetic to it.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to not admit you’re moving the goalposts
Still not letting you put words in my mouth.
Exterminating nazis using completely legal means is NOT terrorism. No one is trying to scare or terrorize nazis. There are perfectly legal means of exterminating nazi cockroaches because the nazis themselves have done away with the laws that would have protected them. In other words, you are letting us kill you. Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!
Have fun with that multiple myeloma, fkn nazi! 🤣
Is that why there is a rule #6, and it’s often enforced, I’ve noticed?
How did “The Bulwark” listeners find Lemmy?
Even the Bulwark are not this absurd. At least not lately. Even they recognize the dangers of the right. I think Sarah has been wringing her hands over Hasan Piker but that’s about the extent of it.
I don’t even know what that is.
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