American here. I love my country.
But they should absolutely turn the screws.
Canada has always been a good friend to the US, both in peace and in wartime. When we had wildfires Canada sent us aircraft, crews, supplies. When we were at war in Iraq and Afghanistan Canada sent us some of the best sniper teams anywhere. Canada has always been a peacetime friend and trade partner and we exchange a lot of goods, services, and tourism in both directions.
And then we decide to fuck them over for no reason. We spent 3-4 decades offshoring every bit of American manufacturing and willingly, gleefully, built ourselves a giant trade imbalance because doing so increased shareholder value. Now we realize that might be a bad thing so what do we do? We fuck over our friends, one of the few countries that stood by us through thick and thin. Canada has done nothing to deserve this.
If I were a Canadian, I’d be right fucking pissed (politely of course) that our 100+ year friend is doing this. And quite frankly, I’d be right.
So yeah, while I want my country to succeed, in this instance we deserve to fail and we should fail. Canada deserves better than this.
If I were a Canadian, I’d be right fucking pissed (politely of course) that our 100+ year friend is doing this. And quite frankly, I’d be right.
I genuinely hope we cease all trade with you entirely. You as a nation can no longer be trusted, no matter what happens over the next few years. The fact this happened in the first place is an inexcusable failure on the part of every American.
They are too chicken shit to actually make a strong move though. They will bluster a lot a lot stopping these things but will cave as soon as someone says hey want to try again to talk about this?
Ford is a corrupt POS and Carney is about as predictable as every banker ever has been. We don’t have strong leadership willing to actually make a commitment to Canadians.
As as sad as depressing as that is, we are better off than the alternative that was Pierre Polievre
I’m inclined to agree, because some of the major consequences that should happen need to go through Alberta’s energy market and the bought and paid for traitor Danielle Smith, whom Carney still refuses to treat with anything other than kid gloves.
Just goes to show Canada is the nicest place: despite all the bs we’re shoveling their way, they’re still acting as friends, trying to help us past our mental breakdown without harming the rest of us
We are not happy with you, we are being nice but we are not happy with you. Most of us want to burn your Whitehouse again like back in 1812.
Lots of damage has been done and I would say there is more coming from your orange mussolini.
The fact that there isn’t 100k people in front of the Whitehouse protesting daily at this point tells us your population doesn’t care about how your country is changing.
We would move away from you if we could because you have betrayed our good nature.
You cant absolve what has happened by pretending it hasn’t happened.
We will never be the “51st state” but maybe we will liberate you one day and you can become Canadian.
Most of us want to burn your Whitehouse again like back in 1812.
White house was burned down by the British army. We don’t need to burn it down, the next riot when Trump loses will do that.
I mean, I dont buy anything from the states anymore. Blue or red state, I dont care. I aint buying it. Sucks but its an economic war.
Also I dont want to get sick from your rotten-ass produce.
They’re the best friend we ever had and I like them a hell of a lot more than red states these days
Oh my god stop im at work someone mark this NSFW holy shit. Love it when tops talk sexy tho
75% of Canadians supported Carney backing out of the trade deal. This is despite the fact that it will cause massive economic hardship to Canada to accept these tariffs.
Canadians are pissed, and are willing to accept economic hardship in order to stand up to a bully.
For decades Canada has just accepted whatever the US has demanded. For example, Canada has aligned its copyright laws to match US laws, which Hollywood was demanding. It has accepted that Canadians installing a Canadian-made app on their phones have to pay a 30% cut to an American company.
This was because the US, in exchange, was giving Canada free access to the American market. Canadian potash, lumber, energy, etc. could all be sold to the US without tariffs. Now Trump has reneged on that deal.
Carney has promised counter-tariffs, but I want to see a real trade war. Fuck the US copyright laws. Fuck the DMCA. Fuck American printers that won’t allow you to use your own ink. Fuck US tractors that can only be repaired by their US manufacturer. Canada should not only refuse to honour US intellectual property, I want Americans to travel to Canada to get their phones unlocked, to pay Canadians online for software to de-DRM their printers. What’s the downside? The US will counter with tariffs? Done that. The US will try to cut Canada’s access to Netflix off? We have bittorrent here.
Americans keep talking about this being a David vs Goliath fight, but for an ultra-religious country, they sure don’t seem to remember how that bible story ended.
Edited to add: In the early days of the USA it was a pirate nation, in many ways. There were Americans acting as privateers, basically pirates who were protected / supported by the US. The US also was infamous for ignoring copyrights on authors from Europe.
I don’t think it’s very likely that Canada is going to be brave enough to repeal the copyright laws that the US forced Canada into adopting. But, maybe, a 21st century “privateer” is possible. What if Carney walked over to the head of the RCMP and off the record put the word out that the RCMP was to stop cooperating with the FBI on any actions against Canadians accused of violating US IP laws. What if the government decriminalized laws against circumventing copyright protection.
For a long while before marijuana was legalized, it was decriminalized. It was pretty common to see people smoking pot on the street, which was technically illegal, and a cop would just walk by and ignore it. But, that was all done in an above-board way. I think it’s entirely possible something like that could be done through back channels with nothing written down.
allowing our pharmaceutical companies to make any us drug ignoring patents/licenses would be pretty brutal.
And many Americans would love Canada if Canadians would sell them those drugs at costs far below what the American Pharma industry was charging.
That would be a great move, piss off the US pharma companies while getting on the good side of individual Americans.
if Canadians would sell them those drugs at costs far below what the American Pharma industry was charging.
The mail order pharmacies were charging Americans less than they would pay at home - and It caused a few shortages of some medications for Canadian patients.
Yeah, in a trade war there are casualties. Maybe the Canadian government could do more to increase supply to those privateer mail order “pharmacies”, or something.
And many Americans would love Canada if Canadians would sell them those drugs at costs far below what the American Pharma industry was charging.
Oh thats so fiendish.
Easy to do too. Probably the easiest thing on this whole wishlist. Canadian “pharmacies” that sell products shipped by mail into the US already exist. I’m sure they’d happily sell even more stuff that was freely available in Canada patent and license free.
Economic hardship is coming either way, the deal wasn’t fair and Trump would reneg either way. Good on Canadians for not trying appeasement.
Offer a good deal to California and New York, where those states create an universal drugcare program, officially powered by Canadian supplies. On the condition that these states are very vocal about why they got Canadian Drugcare, and why the Red States are getting zip.
In the early days of the USA it was a pirate nation, in many ways. There were Americans acting as privateers, basically pirates who were protected / supported by the US.
Oh, the year was 1778
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now
A letter of marque came from the king
To the scummiest vessel I’ve ever seenGod damn them all, I was told
We’d cruise the seas for American gold
We’d fire no guns, shed no tears
Now I’m a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett’s privateers
Yes!
Barrett, the Antelope and other elements of the song are fictional, but “Barrett’s Privateers” is full of authentic details of privateering during the American Revolution, which in Nova Scotia was dominated by privateer warfare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett's_Privateers
At the outbreak of the American Revolution, many Nova Scotians were New England-born and were sympathetic to the American Patriots. This support slowly eroded over the first two years of the war as American privateers attacked Nova Scotian villages and shipping to try to interrupt Nova Scotian trade with the American Loyalists still in New England. During the war, American privateers captured 225 vessels either leaving or arriving at Nova Scotia ports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia_in_the_American_Revolution
25% of Canadians need to move to a trailer park in Orlando.
The religious people here don’t actually read their book, they get told what to think.
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I’m calling it Trump’s inside-trade-war
Does he even commit insider trading anymore? Once you accept outright bribes, laundered bitcoin, and shakedowns of both corps and other countries, insider trading seems like the hard way of doing things
make them pay by constantly airing epstein related news, and investigation. this gets under trump skin quite often.
The thing that really gets me is americans still believe they have something to offer Canadians. For heaven’s sake, america is now at 29 on the Transparency International ranking of Corrupt Countries. This list ranks countries on the basis of public bribery, misuse of public funds, abuse of public office for personal gain, nepotism in civil service, and state capture.
Think about that. The usa is more corrupt than the UAE. Why would anyone or any country want to drop to the level of the usa? There is nothing appealing about the usa anymore. The food is poison, the inequality is off the scale, the corruption allowing tech bros and billionaires to buy government, etc, etc, etc.
america has been sleep walking into the new slavery and cheer when they get beaten by another corrupt regime.
Edit addition. Lots of comments mention that the data is a couple of years old, and that more recent would show a much worse position. i suspect the comments are correct, but this is all that’s publicly available.
americans still believe they have something to offer Canadians
The US offers access to the US banking system, and protection of your maritime trade. It also does not like countries developing their own banking systems or overland trade routes (the hostility towards the Brazilian payment system is a recent example). This is something you’ll need to deal with (as in, build and defend an alternative, or join an existing system) if you want to become more independent.
Maybe I misunderstand, but can you explain what you mean about the banking system? Is it more for international transactions?
Canada has a banking system and our own payment system for consumer transactions called Interac. Canadian debit cards work differently than US ones, (or at least they used to). I worked at a tourist spot one summer and remember the US customers getting annoyed their cards didn’t work here. The transactions on the Canadian cards were real-time so overdraft wasn’t as much of a concern if you were using your card in a store. It would just get declined. Pre-authorized transactions and cheques are different, of course.
can you explain what you mean about the banking system? Is it more for international transactions?
It works on multiple levels:
- Your citizens having accounts in US banks.
- Your banks being dependent on US software.
- Your banks relying on a US backend for domestic (person to person or customer to business or business to business) transactions.
- Same as 3, but for international transactions.
- Your citizens, businesses and banks using the US dollar for international transactions.
Each of these is a little tax or subsidy you pay to the US. They also expose you to US sanctions. So the more of these you can do locally, the better. In practice, you want to completely avoid 2 and 3, and minimise 1, 4 and 5.
our own payment system for consumer transactions called Interac
Good. You need to make sure everyone uses it. Make it easy to set up, remove any usage fees (at least temporarily), and make it the default option offered by banks. You can also add features like payment apps and integration with public transport / ride-sharing services.
Thanks for the response but I wonder if maybe there is a misunderstanding.
Canadians generally don’t have American bank accounts. Businesses who do business in the states have them and I’m sure some individuals do but it’s often about how hard it is to do financial transactions in the US with via a Canadian bank. I was involved in an org that made one large payment to the US each year and they set up an account to do it because it wasn’t worth the hassle otherwise. The US has way more restrictions than one might expect lol.
When I was asking about international transactions I meant more like country to country or something, not individual consumers or businesses.
Good. You need to make sure everyone uses it.
This also makes me wonder if we are talking about different things. Interac isn’t optional. It’s the only way to use your bank account to pay for things via a card. It is run by the banks and has been around since the 80s.
As far as I understand the Canadian banking infrastructure is independent of the US or any other country. A lot of the software is custom or even developed in house. (I know a few people who worked or work for banks as developers.)
You can also add features like payment apps and integration with public transport / ride-sharing services.
Yeah, this all exists and has for a very long time. Canada was ahead of the states in terms of some of that stuff because we have way fewer banks and tighter regulations so it was easier. I remember visiting family in the 2000s and being shocked people wrote cheques. I don’t think I had seen someone pay with a cheque in a store before. 1
Ah then you’re in a better place than I thought. You’ve already solved issues 2 and 3. Some Canadian people / businesses have US bank accounts (#1) for ease of doing business, but that’s fine. Now your main concern would be international transactions (#4) and dollar dependency (#5). China and the EU have international payments systems that you might be able to use. You can also use Euro / Yuan for those transactions, and gradually replace / supplement the dollar with these currencies for your foreign reserve.
Yeah which is why I REALLY hope the Carney government is planning to put a stopper on the proposed sale of Moneris to US private equity. That idea was a disaster for Canadians BEFORE this current bullshit.
Before any of that, canada needs to build a proper oil pipe from Alberta to ontario that does not cross into the US. Thats a choke point for it right now.
Alberta does not have the refining capacity for that.
america is now at 29 on the Transparency International ranking of Corrupt Countries.
number 29 with a bullet.
and cronyism, which some people wierdly try to make that distinction from nepotism, eventhough people really means both.
At 29? I’d expect it to be at like 234th place these days.
Smaller number is more corrupt
Edit: nvm I’m dumb, read the replies for why.
This is incorrect, per wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
I think you misread that - I don’t think the wiki says that, and the CPI’s own site says “100 is very clean and 0 is highly corrupt”actually I apologise and take that back, you are in fact correct - I now see that there’s two different numbers: firstly the CPI score, which for the US in 2025 is 64/100 - this is the one where “100 is very clean and 0 is highly corrupt”. Secondly there’s the ranking, which is how a country’s score places it in relation to the other 182 countries under consideration - a lower ranking means public services are more transparent than other countries. In 2025, the US was ranked at place 29.
In 2024, its score was 65, so there hasn’t been a big drop since Trump returned to the White House.
Well hell I misunderstood that as well.
Americans cheering about being number 1 all the time, they are getting closer.
There’s a lot of really grim countries full of really cool people. That makes it worse that so many Americans are as mean and delusional as the bastards in charge.
iirc it was also pointed out that countries like the US and UK also tend to just legalise a lot of corrupt seeming shit which keeps them higher on the scale since its no longer technically corruption.
Positive reinforcement works as well! Gotta give blue states something good to entice fence sitters. For instance, you could annex Minnesota.
Sincerely
A Minnesotan
Maybe Annex Illinois too while you’re at it.
New York is right here for the taking. Annex Niagra Falls!
Gross. Niagara Falls NY is a shithole full of chemical toxins.
I would move to NY immediately.
MN has better labor protections
I prefer being further east. And warmer, the last time I was in MN it was in the winter, and something stupid like 15F for the highest temp the entire time (thats about -9.5C for folks who use sensible units). The last time I was in upstate NY in the winter, it at least went above freezing.
The beer is better in MN. But I also can’t drink beer anymore (thanks gluten, gfy) so not being forced to watch others enjoy is also a benefit.
I will gladly shovel snow to avoid 100F+ summers
I got some news for you. We get both.
I have a seething hatred of being cold, and I’ve been all over the middle east in the summer (like 120F in the shade), so 100F summers I can do.
Slowly I turned…
step by step…
inch by inch…
Why not both?
Even the blue states have too many guns and Jesus for my liking.
A worthy trade. Massachusetts has fewer guns than most and you’re welcome to all of them if you annex us. Boston has had hundreds of years of friendship with Halifax, especially, and we’re all for joining up
Boston is essentially the American version of Halifax.
I like the sound of that. Join the upstairs party, let’s have a chill night while they argue downstairs.
Wait, please. With all due respect, and if you wouldn’t mind:
If alphabetical order is at all a consideration, I think Massachusetts should go first.
Y’all have no respect for the Quebecois. First order of business should be their favorite vacation state, Vermont.
Ok sounds good. First order of business:
🎵 The spirit of Massachusetts is the spirit now of Canada
the rest of it
The spirit of the last letter being zed…
The spirit of Massachusetts is the spirit now of Canada,
The spirit of the red, white and red! 🎶
Don’t forget Maine will be before you (ง’̀-‘́)ง
ya, but they’ll want the good hockey players.
Take cascadia too please!
Extend Cascadia to the Mexican border lol
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Cascadia stands ready!
Sorry, but the whole ship is going down.
Canada save us. We are poor and starving here rn! Send hookers and cocaine immediately!
Open invitations to provincehood should be extended to all states. Michigan specifically should be made aware that “it would be a shame if their nice auto plants exploded.”
ChatGPT, how can I repatriate as a Minnesotan?!
Don’t forget the purple states
For Americans who may not know, when Trump said:
“…primarily Governor Carney, and his Flunky, Ford…”
He was referring to Prime Minister Carney, not a governor, and the Ontario Provincial Premier Doug Ford. They aren’t even in the same party. Doug Ford is kind of a Canadian Trump Lite who keeps winning elections despite only getting 30-40% of the vote. He’s just very loud and I wish journalists would stop quoting him.
Ford is an absolute piece of shit, yeah. He’s a conservative who has absolutely gutted our healthcare, education, social services and countless other things. He’s also currently in a war against bikes and has been getting bike lanes ripped out all over the province.
I hate him with a passion but he has at least been very offensive in asserting our sovereignty which is nice even if it’s completely shallow and done purely for his own self interests. Marlaine on the other hand though…
I know he’s a conservative piece of shit but I will never get the bike thing. Usually his issues are all about capitalism and private ownership and bullshit like that.
I don’t think it’s possible to convey how much Ford hates Toronto. He’s so mad that the WASPs never accepted him even after he acquired wealth.
The bike thing goes back to his brother’s time as mayor and his time on City Council. A mayor can’t ban bike lanes (especially without council support) but the provincial government sure can. They did cancel transit projects tho!
Bikes became a symbol of leftists.
It wouldn’t be vintage Don Cherry if it didn’t cause a buzz. “I’m wearing pinko for for all the pinkos out there that ride bicycles and everything,” Mr. Cherry said in a speech he delivered at Rob Ford’s inauguration on Tuesday, donning a bright pink suit. His shots at the left did not go unnoticed, and may add new life to a word that has perhaps lost some of its bite in recent years.
Simpler times 😅
He’s so mad that the WASPs never accepted him even after he acquired wealth.
He was a hash dealer who inherited his father’s printing company, which was built up on conflicted printing contracts with the City of Toronto, where Dofo Sr was on city council. That led to conflict of interest guidelines. Doug Jr was elected to his father’s seat because the lawn signs only had the name “Doug Ford” and the dimwits in Etobicoke thought they were electing his father. It’s not clear what Deco even was…as they opened a series of US branch offices that famously did no printing., but coincidentally were on the drug road from Florida to Toronto. Renata Ford’s lawsuit against Doug indicated DECO was close to broke. There is a third Ford brother in the attic no one talks about… Randy.
Comrade, I don’t understand your comments. Are you saying these things to disagree with my reply here?
And where are you getting your information? I mentioned in another reply that I lived through the Ford years in Toronto. I don’t know anything about you so maybe you did too, but your facts are wrong.
He was a hash dealer who inherited his father’s printing company,
Yes, true.
which was built up on conflicted printing contracts with the City of Toronto,
I can’t say I know first hand about the business before Rob and Doug were on City Council (it’s a private company) but I wasn’t aware of any accusations until 2011, after Doug Ford Senior’s death.
where Dofo Sr was on city council.
Doug Ford Senor was never on City Council???
That led to conflict of interest guidelines.
You are thinking about Rob and Doug.
Doug Jr was elected to his father’s seat because the lawn signs only had the name “Doug Ford” and the dimwits in Etobicoke thought they were electing his father.
Doug Ford Senior died in 2006. Doug Ford Junior didn’t run until 2010. No denying that this part of Etobicoke loves the Fords and that name recognition isn’t a huge part of their suggests.
Maybe this is helpful: Douglas Bruce Ford Sr. (b. 1933) had several sons including Douglas Robert Ford Jr. (b. 1964). His other son, Rob Ford has a son also named Doug Ford, but he is currently 18 so he has not run for office (yet?). You may be thinking of Micheal Ford, who is Kathy Ford’s son. She is the daughter of Douglas Bruce Ford Sr. Micheal Ford was a school trustee and then a city council member, and was elected an MP in 2022 but he’s on a leave of absence and will not run again.
It’s not clear what Deco even was…as they opened a series of US branch offices that famously did no printing., but coincidentally were on the drug road from Florida to Toronto.
Is. The company is still in business. And what makes you say that? Its a private company so I’m not going to claim to know anything about their operations but they are incredibly well known in Etobicoke. Their manufacturing plant has signage along the highway and they were a common sponsor for local events and sports teams. I say were because I moved away about 5 years ago so idk if they still do that as much.
It’s well known that Doug Holyday (who used the company) was an influence on Doug. I remember sitting in the now demolished Dundas Street Grill while Holyday was making the rounds during his 2013 campaign for MP just praying he wouldn’t come talk to us. (He didn’t lol).
Renata Ford’s lawsuit against Doug indicated DECO was close to broke.
I don’t know that you read the lawsuit correctly. The claim was that Doug and Randy improperly used a portion of their fathers estate that was intended to be held in trust to support their mother Dianne to sustain the businesses. When Dianne died, the remainder was to be split between the three sons (or their estates). Because the money was spent, when Diane died in 2020 there wasn’t much coming to Rob’s estate (Renata and her children). Them being incompetent is kind of secondary to the misuse of the funds.
There is a third Ford brother in the attic no one talks about… Randy.
Not sure why Randy (or Kathy if we are naming problematic Ford’s) have to do with current events? I can assure you, people talked about Randy quite a bit when Rob was mayor.
Congrats on triggering my inability to let obviously incorrect info just sit there, I guess.
Doug Ford Senior was MPP for Etobicoke Humber, 95-99. Voters in 2010 thought they were voting him into city council because of weak signage rules that were subsequently changed after this election, specifically because of this ruse.
DECO was started by Doug Ford Sr and Ted Herriott. When Doug Ford was a Toronto city councillor, an integrity commissioner report censured him for “mixing business and politics,” noting he used his influence to try to connect printing and business associates with municipal officials, this is carried over from His father’s deals that built DECO. During COVID lockdown, millions of floor spacing decals were sold to Ontario institutions, with the strange lack of any indication who printed them. Of course, DECO worked with 3M Canada, the company who got the exclusive contract to print new license plates for Ontario in 2018, which could not be seen in the dark.
Right after the Renata Ford lawsuit, DECO shut down all US branches, sold off Chicago to a company employed a VP who then went on to be involved in the Toronto lakefront “spa” deal, which of course, is secret to Ontario taxpayers.
Adrian Ion—who previously worked as a finance director for Ares Management—later became the Chief Financial Officer (and executive) for Therme Group, the private company contracted to build the controversial mega-spa and waterpark at Ontario Place.
The claim that DECO was a front for marijuana smuggling was in a 2014 Globe and Mail article. Note the sale of US branches of DECO started in 2018, with the legalization of cannabis in Canada.
Fords were always corrupt with 23 division police, namely Inspector Ron Taverner.
The Globe also tried to contact retired police officers who investigated drugs in the area at the time. One said he had no recollection of encountering the Fords. Another, whose name appeared on court documents in relation to allegations of assault and forcible confinement committed by Randy Ford, said he could not recall the incident. Several did not respond.
Ford tried to appoint Ron Taverner head of OPP -he was strongly rejected because of Taverner’s known history with corruption.
[Doug Ford] frequently mentions the many sports teams that the Ford family business, Deco Labels and Tags, has sponsored over the years. Funny how you did the exact same thing. hmm.
Randy’s role at DECO with marijuana smuggling was covered in a second Globe and Mail article.. They also covered how DECO was almost broke under Doug and yet made a miraculous recovery after 2018.
The Fords’ foray into New Jersey has been a drain on the company, former Deco employees with knowledge of the acquisition told The Globe and Mail. Wise Tag has not been turned around and Mr. Ford turned to his family for a cash infusion to keep it afloat, according to one source. Also, the son of Wise Tag’s former owner is suing Councillor Ford for $179,654.27 related to alleged unpaid loans, credit-card debt and compensation.
confirmed by a police official with direct knowledge of the incident, a former Deco employee and a source close to the Fords – about two decades ago, police officers spotted Randy walking out of Deco holding a garbage bag in one hand and a weigh scale in the other. They suspected the bag was filled with marijuana. When Randy Ford spotted the officers, he ran into the office. The officers chased after him and wrestled him to the ground. But when they turned to collect the evidence, the bag was gone. Police believe someone disposed of it during the commotion.
This is exactly why old Toronto families want nothing to do with the Fords.
Wow I hate myself so much but maybe someone reading this foolishness of mine can see how easily accessible municipal information is and that will help them in the future.
Doug Ford Senior was MPP for Etobicoke Humber, 95-99. Voters in 2010 thought they were voting him into city council because of weak signage rules that were subsequently changed after this election, specifically because of this ruse.
- The 2011 amendment to Chapter 629 was about advertising on the TTC (public transit).
- The 2017 amendment to Chapter 629 had a few changes but nothing related to names. It added the concept of election signs that were “erected and displayed without the authorization, direction or involvement of a candidate”. I didn’t compare the 2011 and 2017 versions to get the specifics about changes to sections about where signs could be posted so I don’t know if there were material changes or they were just updating the language to include the new definitions. The timing for when signs could be displayed changed. Here is an article about the changes
The only rule about names in the current bylaw is that the name must be clearly visible and readable. Using just “FORD” is permissible.
I do remember the Fords getting in to trouble about their signs (and I may have called bylaw a few times myself…) but in 2014 it was mostly about where they were placed in.
In 2010 specifically Rob Ford was found to have broken spending rules related to his signs. , including loans from DECO. Maybe Doug did shit too but I can’t find anything.
Anyways, I wonder if you are thinking about Rob’s first successful run in 2000? His dad was still alive at the time unlike in 2010. Doug Sr wasn’t able to run in the 1999 election because the ridings got consolidated and someone else got the party nomination. Doug Sr was MP until June 1999 and the municipal election where Rob was elected Councilor was October 2000 so I could better understand if there were accusations about fooling voters at that time. Rob lost a 1997 election so it wasn’t exactly like he came out of no where, but still.
Or maybe the musical chairs of the 2014 election?
- Rob registered to run as mayor, ended up running as councilor in Ward 2 as a result of his cancer diagnosis.
- Michael Ford was running for councilor but switched to school board trustee so he wasn’t running against Rob
- I don’t think Doug Jr was registered until he registered to run for mayor in his brothers place. He was the incumbent in Ward 2, but I guess the idea was for Michael to take over.
That makes more sense with the focus on signage. Jonathan Kay touched on that in an article. Lol yes, that Jonathan Kay.
Rob’s “Ford”-branded banners, T-shirts, bumper stickers and podium signs — those were all easily co-opted by Doug. And last week, more than 10,000 people showed up at “Ford Fest” — they didn’t have to change that name either — where they pledged their generic support for “Ford Nation” in the October 27 vote. No fewer than three Fords are up for election — Doug for Mayor, Rob for City Councillor and “Mikey” for school trustee.
[Doug Ford] frequently mentions the many sports teams that the Ford family business, Deco Labels and Tags, has sponsored over the years. Funny how you did the exact same thing. hmm.
Yeah, because I lived there and saw the logo everywhere? I don’t understand what you are implying? You make it sound like I am defending him for some reason which is really odd to me? I brought it up because you said that “It’s not clear what Deco even was” and I guess sure having a factory and being involved in the community doesn’t have anything to do with what the business was but it certainly wasn’t trying to fly under the radar.
I didn’t say these people were upstanding citizens. I just think some of the info you posted is factually incorrect, and replied with corrections. If you think my facts are wrong I’m happy to hash that out but otherwise I don’t know what you are looking for from me. I gotta stop wasting my time on unsourced statements.
This is exactly why old Toronto families want nothing to do with the Fords.
So we agree?
It’s him sucking up to Chrysler
Arcanepotato’s response nails most of it I think but my understanding is also that his commute (when he actually goes into the office) is primarily down a traffic-heavy street that happens to have a bike lane and he’s bitter seeing cyclists fly past him while he’s stuck in gridlock; so in spite of them, he’s dedicated himself to ripping that lane out along with all the others in this province
Wasn’t he caught smoking crack once?
No, common misconception but that was his brother, Rob Ford. Ontarians really watched Rob make Toronto municipal politics global news by being a crack addicted mess and thought we’d give his brother control of the whole province for a decade
edit: although Doug Ford was a big hash dealer earlier in his life
Oh lol, great family.
Thanks for enlightening me!
The whole Ford family is Trailer Park boys.
Doug’s sister was a heroin junkie who got shot in the face by her dealer, then her boyfriend murdered the dealer.
We were warned…
He called him governor to continue the threat of making Canada an American state. And boy is America in a state.
Jesus Christ. This is the most highschool trade war I’ve ever witnessed.
Imagine the cost of living being tied to a schoolyard fight. Add it to Trump’s list of treasons.
Ford has always been good at snappy one liners in the press. Trump Lite is right.
Carney can talk all he wants about balanced economic reciprocity, but you know Ford easily gets to the top of Trump’s media feed when he says shit like “then we’ll shut off the water and power!”
then we’ll shut off the water and power!”
Ontario buys 1/3 the power it sells to the US. Doug has never seen a map, but half the great lakes are in the US.
All the power we sell is a whopping 0.4% of our trade with US.
I know this is true and I hate it.
I hate to put this out in the universe but Ford is coming for the liberal leadership spot. Ever since he sassed Pierre at the beginning of the tarrifs I was like, ooooh he’s going to do it.
"Folks, you know me. I don’t get hung up on labels. I just want to get the job done. "
Sorry.
Ford is coming for the liberal leadership spot
you mean Conservative.
Never going to happen. He needs to speak French and he can barely string a sentence in English.
No, I specifically do not mean conservative. That is why I mentioned the way he was talking about Pollivre.
It’s not exactly a hot take either. He’s dropped hints at federal office and he’s been very clear he isn’t into labels (no pun intended).
From a 2014 interview with Toronto Life:
We’re just average people. There’s nothing special at all about our family. We aren’t staunch, radical Conservatives. Rob was two steps left of Jack Layton. I used to tell him that all the time.
How do you think Justin Trudeau is faring so far? Absolutely terrible. How he even got elected is mindboggling. Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin: bright guys. Justin Trudeau? I’m shocked. It just goes to show you, pizzazz trumps experience. The deficit has increased by $25 billion already. In three years, it will probably be 70 billion, and they have no way of paying it down.
About his father, who was a conservative MP:
It’s what our dad preached—we used to call him the Dipper, because he was essentially an NDPer in Conservative Party clothing.
maybe that would finally push people to consolidate the center & left votes?
Yes, in normal times Carney and Ford would barely be on speaking terms. Ford is hardly Carney’s flunky. But, this is a case of opponents joining together to fight an even bigger enemy.
in normal times Carney and Ford would barely be on speaking terms.
Ford was buddies with Trudeau. Ford loves federal Liberals, because Ontario votes in the opposite party of whatever is Federal.
Thanks for explaining that.
Spewing nonsense just makes Trump supporters want him even harder. All he has to do is stroke a nerve which is something he’s great at.
I can’t believe this even needs to be explained. But so many of them don’t bother to learn anything about us.
He’s very loud and definitely has a similar vibe, but he’s taken the opposite tack with America as all our other conservatives, and actually does get along really well with the Liberal government behind closed doors.
It might be because Rob, also mentioned in the tweet, OD’d, so now the smart brother is carrying on. There isn’t really an American equivalent. Churchill is an interesting British parallel, in both the good and bad ways.
Get em, hosers
Traitor Danielle Smith from Alberta has been suspiciously quiet, since she is on the white houses payroll I expect her to break ranks pretty soon.
she working hard on the Separation referendum, then she can work on Alberta being the 51st state.
She’s already talking about how we need to get back to the negotiating table really soon.
shes afraid of losing her position in the future.
Canada understanding the nuances, we appreciate you Canada.
Canada will always have an ally in the West Coast.
Make Canada first! Elbows up!
