Wasn’t even the wildest. Before compsci I was doing mechanical engineering.
We had an assignment to design a railcar layout for transporting livestock. It gave the minimal parameters for the animals, established client driven acceptable losses for the livestock, etc…
We all cracked away at it. After we handed them all in, the profs were like “nowhere in the spec was the actual animals named, was no one curious?”
Silence.
They had given us a literal Nazi RFP discovered post WWII. It was for moving people to fucking concentration camps.
“You’re smart people. People are going to ask you to do bad things. They’re going to try and hide thier intentions. Don’t collaborate with Nazis. Don’t ever use what I teach you to hurt people.”
Those sound like bad-ass professors!
I would love to have a copy of this assignment! That reveal must have been a real gutpunch. Something that may have actually stuck with most students.
What is the saying? Something about people who learn about how technology works begin to shun technology?
Programming?
scoffs
Woke.
I’m Antigramming like a true Patriot.
My programs are pat/riot
I wouldn’t want to be a CS teacher at this decade, more than half the code will be AI generated. Would just suck the life force out of you seeing how little students care about actually learning the stuff.
When I was a TA, I’m pretty sure 1/3 if the students plagiarized their programming assignments. Copy/pasting suspect snippets into Google would often bring up near-verbatim results, and a similarity tool would often reveal 3 students that either worked together or copied from the same source.
Using arabic numerals to code? I thought this was merica!!!
It’s not even that “hardcore” of ideology honestly. It depends a lot on the lens you view it through your society. If it’s far right, then saying “water is a human right!” is going to seem extreme leftism.
This may shock you, but if you think like this, you might be a hardcore leftist.
Also, I’m reminded of the Ghostbusters (1984) quote:
Dr. Raymond Stantz: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn’t have to produce anything! You’ve never been out of college! You don’t know what it’s like out there! I’ve WORKED in the private sector. They expect results.
The quote is the least believable thing in this move about ghost blowjobs
Yup. I’ve been in academia and in private business. Academia pays terribly and expects a fuck-ton more work. I’m sure there’s places where you can just sleaze by without doing much, but I never saw them. (Which isn’t to say that all academic work is good work. I saw people who got far doing poor research, but they were also working very hard at it.)
Not sure what the discussion was, but, I recall they changed terms like Master/slave a few years back (maybe in the linux kernel), to make things nicer. I have no problem with this (not a big deal).
I think changing “slave” is a good idea, but “master” isn’t a problematic term; however I still prefer main because it makes more sense to me and it’s already a common programming term.
All that being said, we clearly should’ve changed it to “The Mistress branch” instead.
Actually… Found the discussion: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/master-slave-and-the-fight-over-offensive-terms-in-computing-kate-conger-new-york-times-april-13-2021
It was the Internet Engineering Task Force. But not sure if this is what is being referred to in this case
I am still shaking my head about this. Were it framed like “ahem, we don’t like those words anymore and think that these are better”, I would have no issues at all. But no, they just had to drag history of black people (for those about to be offended: I come from a place were “black” and even “removed” do not have any negative connotations whatsoever) into fucking programming. That is idiotic
Lool. Really?
IDE drives
maybe post the notes for critique? this is bait
Would have saved us a lot of trouble if it had been this whole damn while.
In a similar position although after years of pure CS and a couple of years away from it, this new module is on programmable electronics (bad module name, not my pick) but basically programming with a microcontroller focus.
It is a hell of a time to be trying to develop a programming class. Gen-AI obviously and my attempts to control the impact of that is in-class testing where they have to write mm code without AI (unit tested then and there) and allowing Gen-AI in the other assignment but requiring VC, upping the task difficulty, and leaning on the microcontroller IO aspects. But C/C++ is also actively legislated against now for SC contexts but the alternatives really aren’t at a suitable level for us yet to switch to.
1st lesson:
Install Serenity OS.
2nd Lesson:
Figure out how to install XLibre (or Pheonix) on Serenity OS.
Strange how I’m the polar opposite of a leftist and seem to excel at my programming job of 7 years when I was all entirely self-taught in the years leading up to it
It’s almost like programming syntax and structure for every popular language in the world has absolutely nothing to do with politics but you all want to pretend otherwise, how interesting!
I guess we simply can’t teach the basics of array indexing within a for loop without mentioning how evil it is to vote for Donald Trump midway through… oh wait yea we can we just choose not to and pretend it’s not possible XD
Be sure to read through an entire novel on x86 intel assembly and let me know what political stance the language has, the countless MOV inputs within the source code for all NES games is rooted in leftist ideology surely
Clown world to the extreme, I cannot comprehend programming being remotely linked to politics outside of purposely naming your variables certain ways intentionally, what’s next will walking a dog be political in 2030? Better not own a white fur dog guys
I’m the polar opposite of a leftist
A nazi?
You don’t need to go all the way to poles to find Nazis on the right in {current year}
Yeah everyone who disagrees with you extremists and forms their own unique personal opinions based on the facts of reality is a nazi ofc
Then you all sit around confused wondering why this platform isn’t taken serious by literally anyone outside of it
“Hrmmm well 99% of people on the planet must simply be evil nazis unlike us!” Yeah surely bro surely, it’s those who are the crazy ones for sure!
I just stumbled into this discussion, but it seems to me like you were the one to introduce extremism when you took an ideology and called yourself the “polar opposite” of it.
Legit this behaviour right here is why everyone normal and sane within our entire world on every other mainstream platform full of average people with normal morals and values views you extremists as clowns by default fyi
You’ve swung that label around to the point where it means nothing at all, no actual points no nothing just ‘oh you disagree so you’re a nazi lawlz!’ and this community is so deep within this fantasy that you all hold hands, agree and upvote each other by default no matter how utterly ridiculous you look
Now feel free to downvote me to -50 now as an emotional response as if it’ll change this truth of this
“AGREE WITH ME OR YOU’RE EVIL BECAUSE… BECAUSE… BECAUSE YOU JUST ARE, OKAY??!?” - You
Legit this behaviour right here is why everyone normal and sane within our entire world on every other mainstream platform full of average people with normal morals and values views you extremists as clowns by default fyi
See and I thought Lemmy was too obscure for the average person. We’re growing
*Nice sneak edit lmao
See and I thought Lemmy was too obscure for the average person.
Can’t imagine why
Yes I wanted to make sure the sarcasm leaked through
Imagine having a meltdown because you got asked if you were a Nazi, the exact opposite of the extremist “Antifascists”.
Imagine having a meltdown
Does it ever get boring projecting fake fantasies 24/7, defeating said strawman, and attempting to declare victory over having done so
Congrats on a counter-argument that addresses zero of my points - naturally you’ll never acknowledge what I actually said since you cannot argue against it
So you’ll just rummage through for anything else to say, “hurr durr nice meltdown bro lol!” to avoid responding properly, peak emotional lemmy logic
Be sure to try that in a live debate one day; it’ll go really well for you, I promise
Not posting is a free action.
But, for funsies, what else is the exact opposite of a leftist?
Ok
Oh I just typed the perfect reply to someone else which also fits you perfectly, huh how strange almost like you all act the same on here running on pure emotion!
Here’s what my previous reply to them 3 minutes ago literally just said:
Congrats on a counter-argument that addresses zero of my points - naturally you’ll never acknowledge what I actually said since you cannot argue against it
So you’ll just rummage through for anything else to say, “hurr durr nice meltdown bro lol!” to avoid responding properly, peak emotional lemmy logic
Be sure to try that in a live debate one day; it’ll go really well for you, I promise
How fitting for you as well! Imagine initiating a conversation with someone only to then run away when they reply back with something you cannot handle LOL
Quick keep up your act so you can pretend you’re just trolling! Reply back with “Ok” again like a literal child arguing, SUCH a good look for you all on here to immediately shutdown when confronted with reality!
hurr durr nice meltdown bro lol!
Low IQ specimen incapable of debating like an adult
Types drivel when unsure of how to respond, literal child argument tactic “haha I was just trolling!”
Real mature behaviour, you sure “won” this argument vs me alright! This chain was a GREAT look for you!
Now hold this block for me real quick, looks like I get the last reply aw nuu by your own logic I guess that means I win now, poor you :(
haha I was just trolling!
I mean, there’s plenty of things that can be considered left-leaning about it, but they all pretty much surround the culture of programming work. I would tend to agree that there’s nothing inherently leftist about programming in general, but I could see how they may feel about it when discussing open source software, AI, and how progressive the general demographics of college educated programmers would tend to be.
That said, your response is a little… much.
It’s fine they’ll all downvote me without being able to respond, it’s the classic low IQ lemmy special, puts the Leddit hivemind to shame
how progressive the general demographics of college educated programmers would tend to be.
I assure you this foundation is laid well before they reach the age of specializing into programming, it’s why there’s such a gigantic disparity from self-taught programmers (which none of these lemmings can grasp ofc)
Open-source software is a valid point though, I’ve already seen that first-hand from the Loonatix lmao can confirm
your response is a little… much.
Just look at how they act to me, I have no respect for these emotional losers who throw meltdowns over the truth they ‘don’t like hearing’ and exaggerate literal fantasy nonsense in an attempt to screech back as if it’s a valid counter-argument, normal responses like your own are the rarity on this website
You do you but I’ll be gone from this place in no time, what’s the point in involving yourself with such a clueless emotional baby community like this website houses, pure emotion > logic on here which they reward each other for acting like purely since they subjectively agree XD
People ‘screech’ at you because you sound like an arsehole, dude. Try being less up yourself and you might have a better time.
Couldn’t have been an easier thing to refute and yet you still fumbled it with the whiney victim card.
Couldn’t have been an easier thing to refute and yet you still fumbled it with the whiney victim card.
You say, as you yourself appear incapable of refuting anything I’ve said - curious!
Love getting endless responses by emotional people upset enough to reply yet not one of them makes any point against anything I’ve actually said, very intelligent people on here
Click the down arrow quick just click it and run without any proper response (since you all can’t give one ofc), emotional lemmingz malding at the truth, what else is new hold hands and pretend fantasy is reality together quick!!!
“What a jester this comrade is. Computers don’t know politics, stupid. How could they think that there’s any ‘leftism’ [🤮] when I, a proud and open chud, am paid money by some rich guy to make computers at the computer store (that I franchise from him as his self-taught business apparentice 😎).”
Y’know I remember ten years ago we had guys like you who thought it was stupid to unionize compsci work or form some guild that could enforce minimum protections. Wonder how they’re doing these days.
Great argument pal, you’ve really convinced me that it’s impossible to teach people what an if else statement is without preaching how evil people are who don’t believe in extremist leftist political nonsense
Oh wait no you haven’t you’re just babbling irrelevant nonsense that has nothing to do with this at all, banger!
Oh, you must have misunderstood. They’re not doing well, those people got fired in subsequent waves as their skills became less valuable and there was nothing stopping mass firings. Should have made that more clear for the lawnmower man.
So you don’t believe in science, but know how to program?
Your brain must be like a clear jelly by now
You’re a 100% correct. You’re just getting downvoted because you claim to be “the polar opposite of a leftist”.
NES x86
Be quiet dumb nazi.
HURR NAZI HURR DURR EVERYONE NOT AN EXTREME LEFTIST IS A NAZI HURR DURR I HAVE NO POINTS BUT UR NAZI CUZ U JUST ARE HURRRR UPVOTE ME FRIENDS FOR CALLING EVIL NON-LEFTIST OUR FAVOURITE HOT NAZI WORD MY EXTREMIST LEMMY BRETHREN HURRRRRRR -You
It’s fine, you are the normal ones for thinking like this ofc ;) my "if Highly_emotional_monkey_brain_response == high_IQ, print(“he’s so smart”); resulted in FALSE I’m afraid
No points you can actually give ofc, “ur evil nazi man cuz u just are”, nice brain
It’s been four hours I’m checking in to see at what point you realized that all of these people are messing with you.
I just came back to do the same thing haha
I feel like this isn’t super new. You haven’t been able to do things like talk academically about network security or cryptography without being incredibly critical of government for decades.
My professors sure were. I felt really bad for them, honestly. They were the driving force to make philosophy and ethics courses mandatory at my university in order to recieve a comp sci degree.
“If you work in these areas long enough, at a high enough level, you WILL be asked to compromise something for the benefit of a state actor, and you might not even realize it’s happening. The person asking you to do it might not even realize what is really happening.” Was what our prof told a packed lecture hall.
This is pretty much my inspiration for self hosting. A three letter agency needs to infiltrate my network or show up to my house with a warrant. I’m not going to be able to stop them, but at least they’ll have to work for it. I’d love a CSI Miami’s episode level of effort for them to discover that I’m just a fucking nerd sharing Linux ISOs.
This made me image an exchange like
Agent 1: OK McNulty, you have finished your forensic scan of that scumbag’s computer. I can’t wait to hear whether we are taking this monster down for espionage, stealing classified information, or even just another copyright infringement case. What is really in that folder of “Linux ISOs?”
Agent 2: You are not gonna believe this…
When I was at Uni, we had a mandatory Ethics class for Comp Sci/Comp Eng. I think it was for all majors under the Sciences banner.
We definitely had to take intro philosophy and then one philosophy elective for our engineering program. In addition to that we had like these engineering meta courses, like “Engineering History” and “Engineering Cultures”
I want to hear that lecture!
I’m sure these topics become relevant at some point, but I’m doubtful that it’s absolutely necessary to address them in an intro course. how does leftist ideology help kids understand what a while loop does
like, literacy can do all of these things too, that doesn’t mean you have to introduce those concepts at the same time as the abc’s
The distinction here is programming vs computer science. You’re correct that it’s not strictly necessary, but it really depends on the area of study. Please allow me a small rant about the distinction - this isn’t directed at you.
Programming, honestly, could be taught like a trade. It’s a skillset and a craft, with best practices and even regulations in some industries. But one doesn’t need to know anything about how we got here or the fundamentals that make a computer work electronically, in order to write code.
Computer Science necessarily tracks back through the history of computing, in order to provide a grounding in how all this stuff ticks. You can’t talk about Babbage without Ada Lovelace, you can’t talk about Alan Turing without what the government did to him, and you can’t bring up ARPANET or the internet without talking about Berkley techno-hippies. Every step of the way are people taking capitalist and government interest and subverting it to meet more worldly and socialized goals. Everyone in this story has an agenda and, shocker, the smartest people tend to dominate in this field and reliably don’t fuck with conservative nonsense.
Hooooo boy, this person is going to make a terrible and incomprehensible intro class full of irrelevant infodumping lol.
I’ve had the same approach from the other side of the aisle and let me tell you, talking about open source and liberal ideals in programming would be a lot less hostile than some fundie rant.
Chapter 41: how to open your IDE
Chapter 42: why VIM is the best IDE
Chapter 43: So you’re trapped in your IDE
basket = [] for pos in billionaires: if pos not in basket: - basket += guillotine(b) + basket += guillotine(pos) # Corrected iterable namingbasket = [ guillotine(billionaire) for billionaire in population ]Almost. You just committed genocide.
Nah he’ll get a TypeError.Not seeing why, honestly…Unless you consider the merciless and systematic execution of all billionaires to be genocide…which I guess is technically fair…but it’s for a good cause! (…said every genocidist ever…)
Of course, I changed the name of the iterable…
And we’re talking about intro to compsci…getting a bit ahead of ourselves going right from loops to comprehension.
basket = [ guillotine(human) for human in population if is_billionaire(human) ]There, now you’re not killing everyone on Earth
This is why we don’t test in prod.
He just called everyone in the population a billionaire and executed them without actually checking if they are in fact billionaires. Somewhat too close to reality in some scenarios for my taste…
Nope, billionaire is a designator, not a discriminator. They’re iterating over population and decapitating everyone regardless of wealth. ;)
It’s missing an
if <someOtherDesignatorForPopulatioMember> in billionairesin the comprehension.
Haha, that’s either horrible if you don’t know what you just did there or brilliant parody if you did.
Yeah, that comment is just way over the top
in my first semester of compsci we learned about chomsky hierarchy pretty much on day one, while we learned about while loops like a month later.
