Who would have thought confining some of the most self-centred, egotistical, greedy and morally flexible people together in a living situation might not work out.
Shocker…
It’s kind of like their own punishment. They’ll laugh as they descend into their bunkers, thinking “no one can get in!” Not knowing that the exits will be boarded up.
At last, one of them will emerge, after having ate the other occupants - children included - and they will be met by a crowd of brown people (global warming caused “white genocide”).
The crowd will then drag the surviving billionaire to a down square, where they’ll be submerged into a vat of liquid metal, forming a statue with a horrid look on it’s face, to be mounted on a block with a placard titled “The Last Billionaire”.
STOP! I cant get any harder and it aint going down anytime soon
Have you tried flicking it?
In a manner of speaking
“I’m not locked in with you, you’re locked in with me”, but they all believe they’re the “me”
Can I vote for you? You seem like leadership.
They think no one can get in, we think none of them will ever get out.
Can we just fake a catastrophe now to get them to all go in?
Nah. These bunkers all have air holes and we have a lot of concrete :)
Expanding spray foam insulation is much easier and more effective than concrete for this…
Por que no los dos? Layer of spray foam, top it off with a foot or so of concrete.
Now that’s thinking with your brain!
Fresh fish is also an option
I like the way your mind works friend
But wait! What if we buy a cruise ship and sell the cabins on it as law-free estate for these freaks? Certainly that one has to work out, right?!
Is this a reference to The Filth?
More to the MS Satoshi.
These aren’t “the wealthy” - most of these are priced at $50k-75k. That’s prepper nutjob price ranges and it’s no surprise that they’re shooting people with front end loaders since obviously it’s the government disguised as the company workers, coming to dig them out and take their guns.
The people who are actually wealthy have the means to not live in a hole in South Dakota surrounded by other people in their own holes. Their hole in the ground will be somewhere much less advertised.
Yeah, IIRC Zuck’s bunker is in New Zealand, because it’s theoretically farthest from radiation fallout during a nuclear event.
It’s in kauai, hawaii. Specifically, right here:
22.2016232, -159.3485761
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/coordinate_precision.png
At least we now know where waldo is in zucks bunker
In this case, it’s just the default number of sig figs Google maps gives. The satellite view literally shows the big hole being dug for the bunker, too.
Oh I guess it was some other billionaire who had one in NZ.
NZ does the “golden passport” thing, so lots of billionaires have bought citizenship there. Maybe Peter Theil was the one in headlines for making a compound there?
There’s one on Maui, too.
Bezos, though I dont think it’s a bunker compound.
20.6011343, -156.4220373
Where are the other Rat nests?
These aren’t the control vaults. They are the experiment vaults.
If this is really the best of humanity that will weather the storm, we could be doomed after all.
Why do people keep saying or assuming that these are the best of humanity? These literally are the leeches of humanity, the narcissistic antisocial hoarders who think they’re the cream of the crop and obviously the only ones deserving of survival of the disaster they helped create.
Fuck these people, I hope they all die in a fire or something, humanity will be off better
It is one of the worst parts of US culture and one of the greatest accomplishments of capitalists’ propaganda that we generally see the rich as noble and admirable while the poor are evil and disgusting.
Not to be all US-centric about it, but that’s where I live and I think this place’s reputation speaks for itself.
Middleclass hillbillies from North Dakota think they’re the cream of the crop?
Well look at the quality of people who think they’re the superior race
I hope they all get sealed in their bunkers from the outside and go insane trapped in the tomb they’ve created.
If only we could get all those pedophile fascists into those bunkers sooner and cut them off from all outside contact.
During one particularly hairy incident, a man who moved into one of the units with his wife, his daughter, and her four children, pulled a gun on a Vivos contractor who had pulled up with a front-end loader to his bunker.
The resident eventually shot the contractor, injuring him. However, South Dakota’s stand-your-ground law led to a grand jury declining to indict him.
It’s telling that one of these billionaires was the type to kill a worker trying to do their job near his property. And “stand your ground” laws were created by and for gun nuts who want to murder someone. Change my mind…
Like the other commenter noted, these aren’t rich people, they are prepper types. A billionaire isnt getting a $55k bunker.
The guy who did the shooting is apparently a former cop turned EMT.
The person he shot also wasn’t a worker trying to do his job, it was a guy who worked for the company who told a mutual acquaintance that he was going to that guy’s house specifically to attack him. When he got there, he asked the guy if he’d ever killed someone, and then he said he had killed someone with his bare hands. He then started going at the guy, who shot him and then immediately rendered aid.
Not to defend a guy eho is probably a nutjob and a jerk, it sounds like a reasonable act of self defense to me.
Not that I don’t believe you, but do you have a link to those details? They certainly aren’t in this article…
Yeah, I thought it was strange because famously a grand jury will indict anything, but there werent any details in the article, so I looked one up with more detail.
I think it’s because the article is trying to paint a picture that may not exactly fit the reality. But I didn’t read it anyway, this comment thread looks more interesting
Not a billionaire, these are prepper bunkers…
These people are such morons. It would take about 2 minutes of an intro level Anthropology class to learn that for like 95% of human history we lived in small groups like this — so we’re definitely able to do it — but they only worked because they were (mostly) egalitarian. They absolutely don’t work when group members consistently value themselves over the group.
They weren’t necessarily egalitarian, but they all involved a sense of duty to the community the ability to reinvent the structure of the community, and the freedom to leave. They were also smaller than this. But yeah this is a bunch of people who don’t understand how to function in a community like this.
Also I’m not certain why these people are already living in the bunkers
They are so disconnected from reality they think the world has already ended. Evidence of this would be the minor pushback to things like AI they are starting to experience.
A bunch of them went and hid in their bunkers when 9/11 happened. Obviously a pretty bad thing to happen but hardly the end of the world. Sadly they came out about 2 days later because they got bored.
Yep, though we know of bands of hundreds of people who persisted for a long time and at least a few examples of proto-cities with thousands and a much less pronounced division of labor (or at much less pronounced evidence of the trappings that tend to go along with things like kings and a class system). The prevailing assumption right now is that they must have been working more “together” than not.
people are such morons
Wait until you read about Cryonics…
Demolition Man is free on Tubi right now
Maybe I’ll finally learn how to use the three seashells.
It’ll be funny when they wake up 3000 years from now because aliens want to vivisect them.
My matrix-connected brain-in-a-jar will be laughing at them.
Can we stage a fake crisis so they all flee to their bunkers, then we all lock them inside?
Genius. I’m getting my asteroid ready. Get your telescope lined up.
Can we seal the bunkers with cement?
This is sort of the premis of the book “the future” by Naomi Alderman
Oh interesting I’ll have to give that a look.
Unfortunately for us we have some very real crisis in the pipeline!
We do and we could fix it, if these fuckers just disappeared.
We just have to have teams in place to break them up so they don’t come back out again.
🤞
El refugio atomico
Have these guys ever considered that the survivors outside the bunkers might just weld the bunker doors shut whilst those inside watch them do it on closed circuit television?
I think the bigger threat is people dropping toxic gas or bombs down the ventilation shafts.
cause ventilation shafts will be found, eventually, no matter how well they hide them.
If there’s any kind of catastrophe, people are going to want the resources inside these things. They’re not going to destroy the bunkers, just their occupants. Yeah, gas would do the trick. I’d suggest starting with CS, just to send a message.
Then just cut the doors open and loot the supply hoards. Convenient that you can look these things up on the internet and save map pins to find them in case of need…
They could do like submarines and have air scrubbers. That’d keep them going for a while with no vents.
The core hardware of a premium nuclear bunker air scrubber (like those from DEFCON Bunkers or [American Safe Room]) lasts 5 to 10 years. However, the actual CBRN filters (gas and particulate) require replacement every 6 to 12 months when operating, while the primary HEPA filter can last for years in dry, non-contaminated environments.
Bunker air filtration : r/preppers https://share.google/1ocXyhrcvc9nSWYoc
Unless they have a biodiverse ecosystem and infinite energy, they’ll eventually need some input from outside of their bunkers.
They only have so many replacement filters, if you keep pumping carbon monoxide in (heavier than air, so it will sink and be harder to pump out), the life support systems will break.
I would bury them after the welding, then scout where the escape hatches and weld and bury them too… Then the air system…
Yeah, make their bunkers their tombs. And the antisocial distance is poetic.
This would just lead them to store gas-axes in their bunkers. What i dont imagine they can counter, however, would be the urge to leave once the air system is sabotaged and the crowd outside is sat waiting.
I don’t think that any outcome they foresee will have any relation to what will actually happen.
Gas masks don’t help with total lack of oxygen. All you have to do is send pure nitrogen down the ventilation shafts, even if they tanked O2, that’s maybe 10 hours per tank per person - how many tanks do you think they got with their $55K “Villa de Armageddon”?
The funniest part would be watching these chucklefucks trying to operate cutting equipment
This place is a message… and part of a system of messages… pay attention to it!
Sending this message was important to us. We considered ourselves to be a powerful culture.
This place is not a place of honor… no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here… nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
And cement the air vents shut too
But then what would we shit down?
You would have thought that the people making these shelters would have learned from Covid that they simply can’t crawl in a hole and stay safe. The wealthy are used to soft easy living and a underclass of people who do what they tell them to because of their money.
If we really had a society ending disease or event they wouldn’t last two weeks before they came out of their bunkers looking for entertainment because they were bored. You couldn’t tell most of them to stay inside or even wear a fucking mask during Covid.
On top of that they may have the skills to make money but the skills a P.E. Investor has from raiding healthy companies and pilfering assets is not the same skill set needed to lead people when money has no meaning and/or form collective groups to survive.
Without a government and its protection, the wealthy are just going to end up dead with the head of security for the bunker fucking their trophy wife.
So… become the head of security for a billionare, got it.
A consultant reported that billionaires, when confronted with the idea that the private security team have no incentive to continue to obey the billionaire once society had collapsed, asked the consultant how they could maintain control of the security team, such as if shock collars or locking up all the food would work.
The consultant suggested they simply treat the security team really well beforehand, like just being a good friend.
The billionaires then became concerned, and I shit you not, asked “but where does that end?”
I’ll try to find the link to add it here.
Edit: Here it is.
Simply treat the security team really well beforehand, like just being a good friend… billionaires then asked “but where does that end?”
This is how you know they have become a net detriment to society. This is why they believe so strongly in things like “return to office” “no UBI” and poverty level minimum wages.
Yeah… No billionaire knows how to exist without exploiting labour. They aren’t going to be going into their bunkers without security, chefs, cleaners, or entertainers. There’s so much cognitive dissonance required to simultaneously believe that the government/world is going to be destroyed, but you will safe and still have a legal right to property.
The only thing that maintains their wealth is the legal and economic system they use to exploit other people’s work. Without it their property is just going to be seized by the first person who is quicker on the draw.
I mean I’m about a billion dollars short of being a billionaire, and I don’t know how to live without exploiting labor either. I can’t farm, I can’t hunt, I can’t identify edible berries, roots, and mushrooms, I can’t sew beyond fixing a button. I know a lot about mechanisms, but it’s far from clear to me I could do anything useful in that field once the electricity is out, let alone once source metal starts getting hard to find. Everything would get so much harder so quickly. Hell, I don’t even know how to dig a latrine that’ll prevent the water supply from being contaminated, assuming we can find a water supply. (On the plus side, sources of pollution in water supplies should start to fall apart pretty fast.)
I dunno. I just think everyone thinking about the collapse wildly underestimates how hard everything will be. I can’t really picture my sorry ass lasting long at all.
Eh… There’s a difference between utilizing or societally benefiting someone else’s labour and exploiting someone for their labour. Exploitation in an economic sense generally requires you to capitally monopolize a persons excess production value for personal gain. You can’t really be considered exploitive unless you own the means of production. Basically unless you are a business owner or employ someone you aren’t really participating in capitalism in an exploitive manner.
I guess I didn’t drill down into the exploitation aspect, yeah. The people actually doing the jobs I don’t know how to do–mining, farming, sewing, etc.–are at this point almost entirely disadvantaged people in other countries, who are being woefully underpaid and subjected to terrible conditions. (A lot of farming is also done here, but it’s still by exploited foreign workers, so…) And a bunch of that relies on other systems too, like farming being done by as few workers as it is depends on fertilizers from the petrochemical industries, which are hurting people EVERYWHERE. I wouldn’t be able to afford anything if it weren’t discounted in this way. Even if there was no actual apocalypse, and only the exploitation went away, it’s not at all clear to me that I would have a way to keep myself alive.
Oh for sure, capitalism is built on exploitation, and it makes everyone rely on the system of exploitation that it creates. My main point is that you as an individual are not really responsible for that exploitation. The reason you are reliant on cheap imported labour in the first place is because you yourself are likely a worker being exploited by a person capitalizing on your labor.
only the exploitation went away, it’s not at all clear to me that I would have a way to keep myself alive.
Just because exploitation theoretically disappears doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be another system of labour and resources organization to replace it. Every form of labour is equally important so long as it fulfills a need for society. There can only be so many farmers or minors.
Have you seen billionaire wives? I’ll pass
Oh I wouldn’t care for the wife so much, in fact I’d likely throw her out as well, but a free fully stocked doomsday bunker sounds pretty nifty.
They usually hire ex special forces for that role
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It’s a known phenomenon. When surrounded by sycophants, when on the top of a severe power imbalance you forget how to adult and how to empathize.
Story time!
What is a residential cruise ship?
What is a residential cruise ship?
Think of condos, but on a ship.
People make it their permanent home, and the ship wanders the world’s oceans based (theoratically) on votes from the passenger/owners as to where to go next.
The residents tend to be a mix of remote workers, digital nomads and retirees.
I just did a quick search. $100k to own the cabin + $2k per person per month for one example. Seems like a good way for some to blow their money during their golden years. Sell the house and head out to sea to die.
Billionaires can just buy entire cruise ships. I assume you mean multi-millionaires?
No. I mean billionaires. They like having a community to show off their wealth around.
Not surprised, they haven’t heard the word “no” or had to wait for their turn for a very long time
These fucks are GROUND ZERO for humanity’s collective dysfunction. They really think concentrating their filth in a fucking bunker isn’t going to brew the literal worst toxic behavior ever witnessed?
Have at it in my opinion. Lock em in and melt the keys.
Like most of their ideas the bunker strategy is idiotic because it completely fails to take into account the psychology of the individual. They used to flying around all over the planet and experiencing the best in life, for the most part they’ve lived this life since before they knew what their own fingers were for because they were born into wealth, these people are not going to do well in a tiny underground facility.
The people who would do the best in the bunker are the people they are in the bunker to hide away from.
The only smart people in tgis are the ones selling rhe bunkers. They charge lots of money for a promise that is not even fully complete as described in the article. In the unlikely event of an actual apocalypse, many will not even rech the bunker in the first place and if somyhing is not ready or woking as it shouls there is nobody left to prosecute.
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Any plan or strategy that fails to take account of psychology is poorly planned
Vivos does claim that they’re paying psychologists among other experts. I wonder how well.
Relying on a company to support you in an apocalypse event is outrageous amounts of cope
Not a television guy, but if you convinced these jackoffs the world was ending, forcing them to flee to their bunker commune, o’d watch a reality tv show of them in the bunker going lord of the flies on each other.
That’s actually part of a whole chapter in World War Z. A mercenary from the rich people’s resort who later ditched them reveals that once the common people started showing up to their door rather than zombies, an immediate fight broke out between all of the residents and their staff, with most of them killing each other. The mercenaries refused to intervene because they were hired to kill infected, not normal people, and had no loyalty to the rich residents.
The whole thing was broadcast live because the owner of the resort wanted to flaunt their status during the great panic.
The mercenaries refused to intervene because they were hired to kill infected, not normal people, and had no loyalty to the rich residents.
The most unrealistic part. They’re mercenaries, they’re loyal to money
The Great Panic in World War Z was when the public realized there was no cure and the rabies vaccine developed did nothing against the infection. Another chapter mentions a border guard who remembered how “[travelers] gave me a look that said money wasn’t going to be good for much longer.”
In that moment I doubt their paychecks were on their mind.
I mean, right up until the second that they are suddenly not and the relationship needs to get redefinded.
If you hire a guide to take you out in the wilderness, be polite.
What money will there be in societal collapse?
I’ve thought about that. Scare them all into hiding in their bunkers, and then never tell them that there never was a threat.
They can live in their precious bunkers, while we all go on with real life. 25 years from now, one of them will poke their heads out, and say “HEY! How long as everything been okay?” And we can say, “Since the day you people went into your bunkers, now get back in there!”
This should be nonnegotiable
Never understood these bunkers in modern times.
If TSHTF so hard that someone truly needs to bunker up for months on end civilization as we know it will likely be at an end. No coming back from it. Congrats, you survived to enjoy the death of everything we know. Heck knows they didn’t store a hoard of raw materials, tools, physical books full of knowledge, farm implements, seeds, and have ready access to individuals with year 1895 level skills to make it all work. They only thought of themselves and stored some food, lots of booze, and a little medicine, figuring they could jet off to some safe haven when it was convenient.
If it were even the 1950s I think there would still be enough of a reservoir of local material and knowledge, and everything was mostly manually skilled labor to create, so bunkering could have worked out. But not today. Global supply chains, relocated resource extraction and manufacturing, and everything computerized has virtually guaranteed the impossibility of bootstrapping modern civilization should it fail.
They’re just as dead, but they get to enjoy roving starving humans trying to kill them over whatever’s left.
So, ever been to Utah? No saying they are fully prepared… But their mutant spawn may make it out to kill each other over the scraps if it’s not a total wipe of life.
There’s people that might survive, I’m thinking like the Amish. But even they depend on modern society at some level for materials. If anyone would make it it would be a group like that, someone already without modern tools as much as possible.
Yep.
It will have to be those with a strong commitment to community and preparation. Which will mean people with “faith” in the future they probably won’t see.
So, that will exclude most of the narcissistic oligarchy. Though some are narcissistic enough about their own lineage to spawn a cult of personality for the continuation of their brood…
They will however continue to hoard resources enough to weather the more likely minor civil disturbances their actions are certain to cause. Wich is the real motive for some.
t will have to be those with a strong commitment to community and preparation.
They’ll be the first to be enslaved.
The Amish are going to have a hard time with the AR15 hoarders…
Why?
Maybe they’re coy about it, but the Amish I have met aren’t big into firearms. Once there’s a farm with food and no guns and roving bands of hungry men with guns and ammo situation, the farmers usually doesn’t do well in the ensuing relationship.
So you’re saying people with guns would kill the people with the knowledge needed to have a hope of survival in a hypothetical apocalyptic catastrophe in a shortsighted display of greed and strength?
That absolutely tracks.
Yeah, that does track, and when they don’t kill them just to show off that they can, they’ll also be doing it out of desparation, fear of starvation, and fear that the Amish women might drive knitting needles through their hearts.
Depends on the extinction event. There are plenty of scenarios (well not plenty, but enough) where most people die and supply chains are wiped out, but there are still libraries and warehouses full of shit (home depots, Amazon warehouses, and so on). Pharmacies would be good for raiding, too. Also farmer bob and his family died, but all of his shit is still there on his farm ready to be taken.
And you can get generators with three fuel sources, not to mention that solar panels are readily available and generally easy to put together for a janky half-assed set up, so anything that needs electricity can still be used. (Did somebody say power tools? Did somebody say well pump? Did somebody say small flow treatment system? Did somebody say refrigeration?)
And preppers (not all, but likely many) do amass survival books, encyclopedias and “medicine for dummies” books, and any of them that are serious are practicing Bushcraft enough to have a working knowledge of that.
I’m guessing the bunker is actually there to ride out the people killing other people to take their resources phase. Maybe a nuclear bomb?
Myself, I’m a half-assed homesteader, which is like being a prepper without all of the white supremacy stuff that goes with it. If there were an extinction event, and I somehow lived through it, I think I would last a couple more months than your average joe, but I doubt I would live into old age.
farmer bob and his family died, but all of his shit is still there on his farm ready to be taken.
Good luck keeping Bob’s John Deere running for more than a generation.
A generation is a lot of time to guess/check farming without power equipment. Not to mention the libraries likely with several books that outline that stuff. I have two books in my house right now that claim to be guides for similar stuff. Prepping is big business. And there are tons of john Deere’s and John Deere dealerships with service departments everywhere. I imagine you could keep it alive a long time. More than a generation, yes. 100 years? Probably not.
More than a generation, yes. 100 years? Probably not.
So much unknown. Competition with other survivors with guns, knives, the ability to poison your well when you aren’t looking or burn your house down while you sleep… assuming NONE of those kinds of things EVER happen, then, yes, the happy cooperative commune that never murders each other over scarce resources could keep a basic tractor running for 30+ years. Throw in all those other challenges… just traveling to a supply depot to get a new spark plug could be risking your life.
Even the happy cooperative commune is going to need centuries of relative peace in order to reboot the supply chain to the point of making new spark plugs compatible with the old engine blocks - or new engine blocks when the old ones are too worn to rebuild.
So much unknown. Competition with other survivors with guns, knives, the ability to poison your well when you aren’t looking or burn your house down while you sleep…
Or, everyone rallies in the first few years and the few survivors that are around work together and share resources, at least long enough that everyone gets theirs.
Movies and video games are more entertaining when there’s over-the-top conflict, and I think that shapes our predictions. We have seen, however, that in times of crisis communities and people rally together for the greater good. Even strangers help strangers. That doesn’t usually last long, but it does happen. And I have no reason to believe that wouldn’t be true if a world-killing meteor struck the earth in China. On my side of the planet, I do believe there would be a honeymoon phase before mad Max times.
I’d be naive to assume that it would be without conflict for generations. I’m not saying that at all.
Even the happy cooperative commune is going to need centuries of relative peace in order to reboot the supply chain to the point of making new spark plugs compatible with the old engine blocks - or new engine blocks when the old ones are too worn to rebuild.
Yes. It would take a while to figure out how to reboot factories and supply chains (if that even is the goal after the extinction event – when there’s 10,000 left alive scattered throughout the world, why would we need factories and supply chains?). But also, there are more than enough spark plugs and engine blocks packed in oil at tractor supplies and John Deere service departments to make it happen for generations. Traveling may or may not be dangerous – neither you nor I know.
My other claim is that we’d learn to use horses/cows to pull the tractor implements before the tractors are kaput for good. I stand by that claim.
The biggest danger would be illness and injury.
Or, everyone rallies in the first few years and the few survivors that are around work together and share resources, at least long enough that everyone gets theirs.
Yeah, the problem is: we’re both right. Some will go one way, some another - and when the two types intermingle, the results would appear to be inevitably regrettable.
Movies and video games are more entertaining when there’s over-the-top conflict, and I think that shapes our predictions.
Having lived in big cities where “bad neighborhoods” means one house out of a thousand might harbor some bad kids who go out and do bad things, I’ll say: the vast majority of people in most of society are basically good, some of them truly great, but it doesn’t take very many bad actors to bring down a whole 100,000 population area into fear and chaos and over-the-top responses to threats.
You want examples of over-the-top responses in real life? They’re rare, but cops doing outrageously terrible things isn’t just in fiction… a lot of real life is more cold, callous and brutal than a lot of fiction.
we’d learn to use horses/cows to pull the tractor implements before the tractors are kaput for good.
In a lot of ways, horses and cows are much more work and expense (inputs of valuable materials) to keep operating than a tractor, it’s why the horse drawn carriages died out so quickly - not because they’re slow or smelly, but because cranking up an engine that sits in a garage and waits patiently for you for days, or months, at near zero storage cost is infinitely more efficient than protecting your livestock from disease and weather and poachers and wild predators…
And, yes, in those places where people can maintain working animals, they will go to that expense to plow the earth by mule or ox or horse power instead of planting by human labor, but it is a big step up from desperation on the run to keeping beasts of burden in working order.
The biggest danger would be illness and injury.
That is a big one, particularly while the cities are filled with unburied rotting corpses.
And do you think you’re the only one who will have thought of raiding those places? There’s going to be lots of competition.
Well, if the pandemic is any indicator, they’ll all be busy raiding toilet paper from Costco while I’m raiding Harbor Freight.
In all seriousness, I don’t think this scenario will come to pass in my lifetime, but I do believe in “an ounce of prevention…”
Well said. I was wondering why not just treat the world and its people well and they can continue to have their own private land to do whatever. Seems like hell if you’re stuck in a bunker without the modern world at your fingertips. Seems foolish to me as well.
1895 level skills
Try 1695. There will be bits and bobs of modern life around, but the core skills required are going to be very much what the European settlers in the new world needed.
Most of the first European settlers didn’t have those skills and either died or were rescued by native peoples, whom they later thanked by massacring them.
The settlers were often townsfolk or recently demobilized soldiers, not experienced farmers. And it was a different ecosystem, with greater extremes of climate and different edible plants and pests, so even the agriculture needed to be adapted.
Most of the first European settlers didn’t have those skills and either died or were rescued by native peoples, whom they later thanked by massacring them.
Agreed on both points - needing to know how to grow food and not die from your own sanitation shortcomings, and how to ruthlessly kill the competition, those are the skills that get you past Thunderdome.
a man who moved into one of the units with his wife, his daughter, and her four children, pulled a gun on a Vivos contractor who had pulled up with a front-end loader to his bunker.
Yeah that tracks.
