The astonishing fertility decline in Iran began around 1985 in the midst of governmental advocacy for more children and four years before the inauguration of the national family planning program by the government [13]. When launched, the family planning program was effective in accelerating the fertility decline by removing social and economic barriers to contraceptive use through making modern contraceptives available free of charge throughout the country. Family planning counseling and services were provided to rural couples through the country’s rural health networks [14]. At the same time, the desire for smaller family size was on the rise [10] and therefore the program enjoyed a high level of social acceptance. The use of modern contraceptives increased from 27% to 57% between 1989 and 2004 [15]. In all, the level and speed of the fertility decline went far beyond the government’s original conservative targets [15].
It has to do with reproductive health and family planning and marriage age of women. Other factors as well, but y’all looooove to say it’s just a money issue when it’s not. It has everything to do with women’s freedoms.
And I’m not saying it’s just money, but also just “earnest” messaging can have effects. If it’s coupled with socio economic conditions.
And right now we’re facing inevitable climate change, escalating wealth inequality, very high inflation, war in Europe with an outlook of more war, a huge refugee wave looming, automation and AI relegating job security to a historical concept, uncertainties about future horrors technology, social media effecting how people perceive reality… so obviously it’s not just that.
And yeah, I agree, many women today don’t want to curtail their careers by dropping out of their job for a decade. But that is also at least partially a manufactured attitude through advertising and PR and can be changed. Except it’s counter to capitalism.
But I’d be curious why you think money alone couldn’t solve this fertility crisis. Or what could. I highly doubt any western country has offered enough money that would make up for giving up the second income.
Because women don’t just need money to have as many children as society wants.
Women don’t want to have as many children as society demands.
And unless we’re going to take away birth control and abortions and reproductive health options and continue to allow child marriage, I don’t think this is a trend we’re going to reverse quickly if at all.
And personally? That simply isn’t an option that should be considered.
It’s not about just giving women more money to have children, it’s investing money to create a society that is more conducive to having children. My main point is that whatever they spend to increase fertility, it wasn’t enough.
The counter argument to increase spending is just to increase immigration and not increasing spending. At least outside japan lol.
I honestly don’t think there’s any amount of money, given to women or invested into society, that is going to significantly change women to want as many kids as they were forced to have in the past. Not without taking away reproductive rights and lemme tell you, they are trying really really hard to do exactly that in many places right now.
Immigration is a real solution to some of this. But it’s so much easier to hate immigrants and subjugate women, amiright?
Yeah, hate is shockingly easy to sell. And cheap to manufacture. Late stage capitalism.
Just to be clear, I’m not even arguing that we “need” to have more children, or that we need immigration. We need degrowth of GDP instead. We should reduce population density in e.g. Europe. Increase urban density in the US. We can also economically degrow and drastically reduce energy and resource use while at the same time increasing standards of living for everyone.
All that are reasons that would influence wanting to have children too. Maybe it’s not as simple as I make it out to be, but I believe fundamentally it’s not an issue. If we actually thought “we’ll need to have more babies or humanity will be in trouble” some extraordinary heroic women would step up lol. But that’s the last thing we need right now.
Wow, would you look at that. This entire study goes into the details of the boom and bust of population growth in Iran and what a fucking SHOCKER.
It has to do with reproductive health and family planning and marriage age of women. Other factors as well, but y’all looooove to say it’s just a money issue when it’s not. It has everything to do with women’s freedoms.
Alright alright lol that is the better study.
And I’m not saying it’s just money, but also just “earnest” messaging can have effects. If it’s coupled with socio economic conditions.
And right now we’re facing inevitable climate change, escalating wealth inequality, very high inflation, war in Europe with an outlook of more war, a huge refugee wave looming, automation and AI relegating job security to a historical concept, uncertainties about future horrors technology, social media effecting how people perceive reality… so obviously it’s not just that.
And yeah, I agree, many women today don’t want to curtail their careers by dropping out of their job for a decade. But that is also at least partially a manufactured attitude through advertising and PR and can be changed. Except it’s counter to capitalism.
But I’d be curious why you think money alone couldn’t solve this fertility crisis. Or what could. I highly doubt any western country has offered enough money that would make up for giving up the second income.
Because women don’t just need money to have as many children as society wants.
Women don’t want to have as many children as society demands.
And unless we’re going to take away birth control and abortions and reproductive health options and continue to allow child marriage, I don’t think this is a trend we’re going to reverse quickly if at all.
And personally? That simply isn’t an option that should be considered.
It’s not about just giving women more money to have children, it’s investing money to create a society that is more conducive to having children. My main point is that whatever they spend to increase fertility, it wasn’t enough.
The counter argument to increase spending is just to increase immigration and not increasing spending. At least outside japan lol.
I honestly don’t think there’s any amount of money, given to women or invested into society, that is going to significantly change women to want as many kids as they were forced to have in the past. Not without taking away reproductive rights and lemme tell you, they are trying really really hard to do exactly that in many places right now.
Immigration is a real solution to some of this. But it’s so much easier to hate immigrants and subjugate women, amiright?
Yeah, hate is shockingly easy to sell. And cheap to manufacture. Late stage capitalism.
Just to be clear, I’m not even arguing that we “need” to have more children, or that we need immigration. We need degrowth of GDP instead. We should reduce population density in e.g. Europe. Increase urban density in the US. We can also economically degrow and drastically reduce energy and resource use while at the same time increasing standards of living for everyone.
All that are reasons that would influence wanting to have children too. Maybe it’s not as simple as I make it out to be, but I believe fundamentally it’s not an issue. If we actually thought “we’ll need to have more babies or humanity will be in trouble” some extraordinary heroic women would step up lol. But that’s the last thing we need right now.