The problem with meat… isn’t the meat - it’s the bad company it keeps
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- Sends a picture of garbage
- Claims it’s food
- ???
- Profit?
This is about what food frequency questionnaires that accuse meat or processed meat of being dangerous count as “meat”. It’s at the expense of crap science
This is food that no one should eat
well, someone was making fun of zero carbers using a meme which inspired me today
anti-zero-carb-inspiration
Food is what people eat.
Ew no one in their right mind would call anything in that photo food. Takeout garbage.
Every FFQ calls that stuff meat.
We are privileged, people around me think nothing of eating fast food as long as it isn’t done too often. It’s certainly regarded as food.
The problem with those isn’t meat or plants.
It’s salt, sugar, empty carbohydrates stripped of all nutrients, and additives that do who knows what to your gut microbiome.
Nutrition is complicated, and individually different.
But one advice you can give to everyone to eat healthier is: Avoid long ingredient lists and refined sugar.The salt thing is old bad information. You will not find any research backing the idea that salt is unhealthy before the point it starts to taste bad, because all it has ever been is a hypothesis.
Like you though, I’m also pretty sure the real problem hides in the stuff made in factories. Like you say whole foods are best. We say to eat things with no ingredients list (though I eat yoghurt with three ingredients: milk, cream, cultures)
You will not find any research backing the idea that salt is unhealthy before the point it starts to taste bad, because all it has ever been is a hypothesis.
There are some t2ds who are salt super-responders, there is literature documenting them. However, if you fix their insulin that goes away.
Fair enough, but sick people’s responses to things aren’t indicative of whether those things are good or bad
It’s salt, sugar,
salt isn’t unhealthy, we should be eating much more salt on the whole then we are.
empty carbohydrates stripped of all nutrients, and additives that do who knows what to your gut microbiome.
processed carbs are bad, but a sick person (which is 94% of adults) isn’t going to have a good time with a natural carb either.
Nutrition is complicated, and individually different.
Welcome to the zero carb community where all of us are super into nutrition!
But one advice you can give to everyone to eat healthier is: Avoid long ingredient lists and refined sugar.
I’ll agree with whole foods only - but I’d add avoid all carbs when possible.
The ideal diet is one made from basic ingredients, no matter if you’re carnivore or vegan.
100% - but 98% of people are neither carnivore or vegan, so we need to educate them on what is really killing them.
I agree salt by itself is fine, but combined with sugar and other simple carbohydrates, you’ve got all the triggers that make people addicted to junk food.
I won’t comment on the other points since I disagree on plants being bad in general, but neither of us will be able to convince the other. So eat what you like and what agrees with you, and I’ll do the same.I just wish there were more recipe and picture posts in this community.
I agree salt by itself is fine, but combined with sugar and other simple carbohydrates, you’ve got all the triggers that make people addicted to junk food.
yup, totally agreed, salt combined with carbohydrates (simple or complex) is a recipe for hyper tension.
I won’t comment on the other points since I disagree on plants being bad in general, but neither of us will be able to convince the other. So eat what you like and what agrees with you, and I’ll do the same.
100%. Allow me to have some nuance - people can be, and are, perfectly healthy on a plant based diet. i.e. lots of people tolerant plants very well, but not everybody can.
I just wish there were more recipe and picture posts in this community.
I post food on occasion - but my version of zero carb is quite lazy! so my food photos are a little repetitive
my last food photo
We aren’t particularly interested in trying to convince anyone to be carnivore. What you eat is entirely your decision. I wish you vegans would be the same way.
And remember on every bit of observation epidemiology you have ever seen against meat - the once every 5 years food frequency questionnaire - this is what counts as “meat”
I’m somehow not getting this post at all. Plant kcal? As in plants?
Jet is differentiating between what is called “meat” in a food frequency questionnaire versus how little of the meal is meat
The biggest problem with the “not meat” side (what’s identified as the percentage of the energy in the meal that comes from plants) is the hyper palatable engineered food shaped stuff which makes people fat and sick
Yeah thanks that’s how far I got but your description is spot on. I assume this has something to do with keto diet
Yeah carnivore is a keto diet, though we do it more for health than for weight loss. We especially cop flack based on the idea from that bad science that the meat we eat will kill us
Personally I feel like eating only the top of the food chain where all contaminants converge is… brave
But my energy to really give a shit is being used up by politics
The fish I eat the most are sardines and the animal I eat most is cattle which are the step immediately above plants
So I’m not out for sharks, lions or people as food
Ah true, the top would be predators
But still cows can mean a lot of things. Organic, sure. But American style hormone and antibiotic banks? Nah
The general recommendation for zero carb is ruminant meat. I don’t think we are eating apex predators all that often although I’ve had alligator meat before. I did not particularly enjoy it, not enough fat for my liking.
Yeah that was a bit of a mistake. The top is predators yes. People, even
i block politics on lemmy, its much nicer
I’m hoping to find some actionable people and radicalise together
Change the status quo and all that
But I’ll make sure we bring barbecues and you are welcome after
Which is funny, if you think about it. If that were true all the detractors would have to do is wait since carnivores won’t be able to sustain the diet. The issue would be self resolving. I don’t supplement at all, and should be dead from scurvy 6 times over or so if those people are to be believed.
There is indeed, however, a certain diet with a very high rate of recidivism. That’s all I’m saying on the topic.
There are more than 1 diet that’s hard to follow. Loads of people have trouble with the one you’re thinking of, many have difficulty with keto (I did until I made it fatty meat with salad, then dropped the salad)
Lots of people use carnivore as a tool to hit a goal, then “go off” carnivore (add in some things and find their new tolerance). No hate for them either, as long as they live their life happy and healthy that is really great. They still know carnivore is a powerful tool, and if they do run into a issue again they can just go clean.
“some” other diets will disclaim someone’s experience (if they should ever stop) as not doing it correctly, and invalidating their data.
% energy in calories from the plant in the meat meal.
So for example if you eat a pepperoni pizza most of the calories is from the carbs in the pizza, and not the meat.
big mac combo meal - most of your energy is from the carbs, which get quickly converted into blood glucose
Ah… plant confuses me because spinach is a plant too but your saying immediately available carbohydrates vs fats and fiber and stuff
Correct?
Ah… plant confuses me because spinach is a plant too
spinach isn’t really being confounded with meat in FFQs.
but your saying immediately available carbohydrates vs fats
I’m not saying anything about immediate or delayed carbohydrates - but I will now - They are both bad, they both get converted into blood glucose, which isn’t healthy. Food that spikes blood glucose (even with a 15m delay) is not healthy.
fiber and stuff
if you enjoy fibre, it seems to be a net positive for people on a high carbohydrate diet, that’s great! but it isn’t necessary when the diet is nutritionally adequate and without toxic food (like blood glucose spiking carbs)
Right… I dunno the whole plant thing is confusing to me but I think I get you
Don’t eat fake food is an easy mantra
Sure, real food is probably going to good for most people - nothing from a factory, oil processing plant - no bags, no boxes.
I am a fan of passata from factories. The lycopene is more available
