Then the other adult fed everyone, and there was nothing left for fun or travel or higher education or personal betterment other than an hour of church one day a week.
Fantasizing about the fulfillment of hard work without the expectation of actually doing hard manual labor is an affliction of wealthy Westerners.
Maybe I dream of days when that was possible because me and my spouse work all fucking week and if we had a kid it would basically take half our income to have our kid raised by fucking strangers. Or one of us stays home for a few years until the kid is in school also costing us half our income and placing us all into abject poverty because one average wage cannot sustain a household in any semblance of comfort.
But yeah fuck me for wanting the life I literally saw my grandparents have on one income. My grandfather didn’t even finish high-school and spent his whole life doing manual labor. They weren’t rich, and they struggled, but they made it. If we tried to live the way they did on 1 income we’d be fucking homeless.
Are you from the USA? I recall hearing that post-war USA was a huge golden era for them since the rest of the world was rebuilding, so it’s not the best thing to compare to since it will likely never happen again
You’re longing for a life one generation enjoyed in their prime. It was a flash in time. It didn’t even last their entire lives, many people in that age group are already in a precarious situation financially, unless they’ve managed to pass away before 2007. You’re fantasizing about a specific economic climate that also largely relied on Jim Crow policies to inequitably grow resources for white people only.
A huge majority of humans ever to have lived, across all of our history as a species, suffered through subsistence farming, which you can go and experience right now today. It sucks. It ruins your body. It’s a curse you can’t help but pass along to your children unless they are smart enough to be sent away to school in a city.
I really think a lot of generational hate is rooted in simple envy that somebody else happened to win the being-born lottery. Can be about family money, historical timing, having the exact eye color Kayleigh thinks is hot… whatever.
My grandparents got married in the 70s my dude so maybe tone down the Jim Crow stuff before getting all the facts.
I’ll never feel guilty for wanting what previous generations had when we are currently expirencing growing wealth inequality and seeing billionaires flaunting their wealth. It’s a guided age and if we take that excess back we can all live better. Stop defending the rich
We have the resources, we have the technology, and we allow it to be used for the 1%
My child, maybe let’s both take a beat to understand that we’re a generation apart. I’m likely as old as your parents; my grandfather fought in WWII. My parents we’re married in the 70s.
I also have a masters degree in economic policy, so maybe understand, sweet child, that you have very impractical, rose-tinted glasses for some Boomer era that still relied on a boatload of racism, and was entirely unsustainable, filled with poison, and centered on profits above people. It’s a universe away from what you actually want.
I beg you to learn about economic history before you yearn for anything of the past. The future needs to be made new for a modern era, not stocked together from nostalgia.
I’m going to hope this is a cultural difference, and you are roughly my parents age. However, imagining a stranger my parent’s age calling me, a grown ass man with a mortgage and everything, “child” or “sweet child” is just weird. Respectfully you’d need to be at least 20 years older for that to be comfortable to me, or working at a waffle house.
Anyway we are funneling more and more wealth to the top. Reclaim that and we can all live just like my grandparents and your parents. Maybe even a bit better.
And don’t worry I’m quite familiar with history. Built a career out of it myself. I just see significantly larger causes for income inequality than racial discrimination and race based exploitation alone explains.
Yes western nations even today extract wealth from poorer nations. Consumers do benefit by getting “goods”. This exhange benefits the wealthy more than the consumer. I’d gladly give up cheap goods like phones or cars for affordable commodities like food, shelter, and healthcare.
I don’t yearn for suburbia, I yearn to be able to live. To have a family. To not worry day to day what horrible shit my country will do only to benefit the rich.
The cultural difference seems to be you seem to take everything literally. It’s a touch of absurdist sarcasm that is a play on the GOT phrase “my sweet summer child.” Did you really not get that?
Y’all gotta lighten up just a bit or this shit’ll kill you before you ever affect it.
Fair. Sorry for the miss on that, then. That’s on me. But certainly not Shakespeare-based; George R R Martin-based. Which is far worse.
Anyway, the Olds poisoned our skies and soil bodies and minds. My generation as well. No reason to let anyone else’s nostalgia brainwash you to their point of view of how strong and noble and thoughtful they thought everyone else was when they were kids.
And yes, I understand how festivals and holidays work in subsistence farming comminuties. I’ve lived in one for years. Doesn’t make the work any less hard.
No, it doesn’t, but you also said that the only time for enjoyment that people had in the past was a single hour a week that they spent going to church.
Are you telling me that bread and circuses were for the wealthy landed gentry and merchants? That nobody outside of the wealthy Western nations pushed a hoop with a stick down a dirt road? That there were no other religious practices such as giving offerings of cooked foods to the gods? I guess the rest of the world was all too busy working 18 hours a day 365 days a year to tell their children fairy tales or create traditions that could have been repeated for generations within small towns across the globe.
If you want to talk about wealthy Western propaganda, let’s talk about the “nuclear family.” That’s probably the biggest one there is. For most of history, multi-generational houses were the norm, and for good reason. Many hands make light work, as they say. Work is hard, but being able to split chores across 3 generations as well as aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, and cousins went a long way to making that work more manageable.
Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of day-by-day, single week at a time schedules. You’re taking more in terms of the whole calendar year. So let’s split the difference there, as the reality is somewhat in the middle. I agree with you on things like diversions and holidays.
That being said, you also seem to be focusing on a very urbanized population. The Greeks and Romans both had plenty of very rural communities that existed to provide agricultural products to cities. And slaves. Especially before cars, even being 10km from three edge of a city could make a trip in just got the market a sunup to sundown trip. Ancient people also certainly practiced classicism. While theatrical performances were both cultural and sometimes what we might consider “religious,” the expectation that it was as egalitarian as a football game still excludes a large number of the overall population of whatever empire we’re taking about. That’s just simple logistics.
And we agree as well about the nuclear family with no multigenerational living being a uniquely post-WWII Western thing. One which sends to be fading in practicality.
Then the other adult fed everyone, and there was nothing left for fun or travel or higher education or personal betterment other than an hour of church one day a week.
Fantasizing about the fulfillment of hard work without the expectation of actually doing hard manual labor is an affliction of wealthy Westerners.
Maybe I dream of days when that was possible because me and my spouse work all fucking week and if we had a kid it would basically take half our income to have our kid raised by fucking strangers. Or one of us stays home for a few years until the kid is in school also costing us half our income and placing us all into abject poverty because one average wage cannot sustain a household in any semblance of comfort.
But yeah fuck me for wanting the life I literally saw my grandparents have on one income. My grandfather didn’t even finish high-school and spent his whole life doing manual labor. They weren’t rich, and they struggled, but they made it. If we tried to live the way they did on 1 income we’d be fucking homeless.
Are you from the USA? I recall hearing that post-war USA was a huge golden era for them since the rest of the world was rebuilding, so it’s not the best thing to compare to since it will likely never happen again
You’re longing for a life one generation enjoyed in their prime. It was a flash in time. It didn’t even last their entire lives, many people in that age group are already in a precarious situation financially, unless they’ve managed to pass away before 2007. You’re fantasizing about a specific economic climate that also largely relied on Jim Crow policies to inequitably grow resources for white people only.
A huge majority of humans ever to have lived, across all of our history as a species, suffered through subsistence farming, which you can go and experience right now today. It sucks. It ruins your body. It’s a curse you can’t help but pass along to your children unless they are smart enough to be sent away to school in a city.
I really think a lot of generational hate is rooted in simple envy that somebody else happened to win the being-born lottery. Can be about family money, historical timing, having the exact eye color Kayleigh thinks is hot… whatever.
My grandparents got married in the 70s my dude so maybe tone down the Jim Crow stuff before getting all the facts.
I’ll never feel guilty for wanting what previous generations had when we are currently expirencing growing wealth inequality and seeing billionaires flaunting their wealth. It’s a guided age and if we take that excess back we can all live better. Stop defending the rich
We have the resources, we have the technology, and we allow it to be used for the 1%
My child, maybe let’s both take a beat to understand that we’re a generation apart. I’m likely as old as your parents; my grandfather fought in WWII. My parents we’re married in the 70s.
I also have a masters degree in economic policy, so maybe understand, sweet child, that you have very impractical, rose-tinted glasses for some Boomer era that still relied on a boatload of racism, and was entirely unsustainable, filled with poison, and centered on profits above people. It’s a universe away from what you actually want.
I beg you to learn about economic history before you yearn for anything of the past. The future needs to be made new for a modern era, not stocked together from nostalgia.
I’m going to hope this is a cultural difference, and you are roughly my parents age. However, imagining a stranger my parent’s age calling me, a grown ass man with a mortgage and everything, “child” or “sweet child” is just weird. Respectfully you’d need to be at least 20 years older for that to be comfortable to me, or working at a waffle house.
Anyway we are funneling more and more wealth to the top. Reclaim that and we can all live just like my grandparents and your parents. Maybe even a bit better.
And don’t worry I’m quite familiar with history. Built a career out of it myself. I just see significantly larger causes for income inequality than racial discrimination and race based exploitation alone explains.
Yes western nations even today extract wealth from poorer nations. Consumers do benefit by getting “goods”. This exhange benefits the wealthy more than the consumer. I’d gladly give up cheap goods like phones or cars for affordable commodities like food, shelter, and healthcare.
I don’t yearn for suburbia, I yearn to be able to live. To have a family. To not worry day to day what horrible shit my country will do only to benefit the rich.
The cultural difference seems to be you seem to take everything literally. It’s a touch of absurdist sarcasm that is a play on the GOT phrase “my sweet summer child.” Did you really not get that?
Y’all gotta lighten up just a bit or this shit’ll kill you before you ever affect it.
Honestly it’s lemmy, I expected age based condescension more than a Shakespeare based one. Unfortunately tone is hard to convey over text
Edit: IDK why I said Shakespeare instead of GOT
Fair. Sorry for the miss on that, then. That’s on me. But certainly not Shakespeare-based; George R R Martin-based. Which is far worse.
Anyway, the Olds poisoned our skies and soil bodies and minds. My generation as well. No reason to let anyone else’s nostalgia brainwash you to their point of view of how strong and noble and thoughtful they thought everyone else was when they were kids.
Ah yes, Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, partying, and theatre, is propaganda created by an affliction of wealthy Westerners.
You act like storytellers, festivals, sports, songs, etc. did not exist before the 1950s.
Tell me more about how rural farmers, slaves and peasant villagers went to the theater in ancient Greece.
https://ajaonline.org/book-review/4169/
Or have you just defended wealthy land owners?
And yes, I understand how festivals and holidays work in subsistence farming comminuties. I’ve lived in one for years. Doesn’t make the work any less hard.
No, it doesn’t, but you also said that the only time for enjoyment that people had in the past was a single hour a week that they spent going to church.
Are you telling me that bread and circuses were for the wealthy landed gentry and merchants? That nobody outside of the wealthy Western nations pushed a hoop with a stick down a dirt road? That there were no other religious practices such as giving offerings of cooked foods to the gods? I guess the rest of the world was all too busy working 18 hours a day 365 days a year to tell their children fairy tales or create traditions that could have been repeated for generations within small towns across the globe.
If you want to talk about wealthy Western propaganda, let’s talk about the “nuclear family.” That’s probably the biggest one there is. For most of history, multi-generational houses were the norm, and for good reason. Many hands make light work, as they say. Work is hard, but being able to split chores across 3 generations as well as aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, and cousins went a long way to making that work more manageable.
Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of day-by-day, single week at a time schedules. You’re taking more in terms of the whole calendar year. So let’s split the difference there, as the reality is somewhat in the middle. I agree with you on things like diversions and holidays.
That being said, you also seem to be focusing on a very urbanized population. The Greeks and Romans both had plenty of very rural communities that existed to provide agricultural products to cities. And slaves. Especially before cars, even being 10km from three edge of a city could make a trip in just got the market a sunup to sundown trip. Ancient people also certainly practiced classicism. While theatrical performances were both cultural and sometimes what we might consider “religious,” the expectation that it was as egalitarian as a football game still excludes a large number of the overall population of whatever empire we’re taking about. That’s just simple logistics.
And we agree as well about the nuclear family with no multigenerational living being a uniquely post-WWII Western thing. One which sends to be fading in practicality.