I left reddit a little over 2 years ago, I think. And have not looked back.
That being said, I’m also keenly aware how painful the out of the box experience on Lemmy/PIefed can be because of the constant drama and a seemingly joyful and endless desire to hate on whatever/whomever some groups or persons feel entitled to because they don’t like them or their ideas.
Most likely, I would have left almost as soon as I joined after I started reading the default feeds and reading some threads… had I not learned to use the filtering/blocking tools… And also, learning that I could find and use different instances, some of them not filled to the brim with that sad kind of serial haters.
Imho, one of the most helpful thing to help new users realize it’s a nice place that is worth investing their time and energy in, would be to reconsider how each instance is presented/summarized, and then considering how to invite potential new users to become actual users… by helping them chose a better suited instance to begin with and show them how to use the filtering and blocking tools to tailor their home feed by removing whatever they consider noise or inappropriate content. I mean, most days I’m not disappointed opening my home feed, I’m seldom confronted with low quality content… and the few really painful trolls I’m faced with from time to time I learned to only deal with them once, but that is only thx to the filtering/blocking tools I learned to use, had I not learned to use them I would have deleted my account.
Disclaimer: I’m getting old (not far from my 60s), and even though I use GNU/Linux I’m not that much of a geek. And I’m fine with both ;)
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Interesting, my experience was the opposite. I was put off for a long time with how de-federation meant I couldn’t access the whole unfiltered lemmyverse from most instances, I only joined when I found an instance that doesn’t de-federate. Then I subscribed to the communities I wanted and use subscribed as my default view.
That’s the way to go about it for sure, I haven’t been on /All for like two years I think. A carefully curated /Subscribed as home feed is the best way to do it.
100% agree. Those (avoid All and browse by Subscribed only + a careful selection of the communities I’m subscribed to) belong to the the ‘filtering tools’ I mentioned… When I first joined Lemmy they were just not active by default, which heavily contributed in making the experience so… not great. It’s a topic I regularly mention, and a method I encourage new users to quickly try ;)
was forced out last year due to the purges they were doing, i was quite interested in another forum how aggressive they were being, it was pretty intense.
- Anyone left on reddit is an addict.
- Reddit fakes engagement with bots.
Edit: the posts there pony up the straw man of instances closing as a major interaction blocker. Is it an issue when it happens? Absolutely. Is it a maybe-once-a-year occurence so far that was important for like a week? Also Yes.
Plus, any alternative can close down. Regardless of being in the Fediverse or not. The main difference is that in the Fediverse you won’t be losing everything once your alternative is closed.
it does hurt when a large instance closes down though.
It does. But it would hurt even more if that large instance was a non-federated platform.
it has been 50% bots a fews years ago, i think its more obvious now. especially with the interference from Palantir people were reporting palantir bots being on the site.
I left a comment in defense of us, for what little good it’ll do lol. Maybe coming from a really ancient account with lots of karma will matter? First Reddit comment I’ve made in ages 😅
I think you said it best (assuming you’re u/RemyWay).
The reason there’s mostly only hate comments for the Fediverse in that post is that the folks who left Reddit for here and actually liked it never went back (myself included).
I basically only look to Reddit as a source of information these days - I don’t view it as an interactive forum like I did prior to the great API migration.
The only time I actually hear about Reddit is through the Fediverse - and I imagine many here are the same - so nobody would even know or care to comment if it weren’t brought up on a post like this.
Yup exactly what I was thinking! It’s unfortunate because obviously we don’t wanna go back there just to pitch the fediverse, for all the reasons we left in the first place
Seems like the top and highest-voted comment right now is
Lemmy or Piefed, both good.So we kind of are ‘winning’ the post? Though sharing with Piefed.
it moved around a lot since I made the post lol
No offense: Lemmy is over modded and filled with brigading tankies, anarchists, libs, etc. The mods cant tolerate dissent and its frustrating to watch. It just makes an even smaller more dense echo chamber than reddit. Not to mention this FAF drama over nothing. The main plus side is that people aren’t rabidly using LLM’s to write posts, which is why I started an account here.
As well, Ghislaine Maxwell isn’t a major sub mod here and Lemmy isn’t being used for Hasbara by Israel, for now.
Oh and the lack of more hobby-oriented communities is a major short-coming, and probably why Reddit still maintains a large userbase. Self-hosted and the radio instance are great examples, and more communities around those topics can bring folks over here.
I haven’t felt any over-moderation here
It sounds like you might want to block lemmy.ml or something
I feel like the way activitypub works lends itself to people forgetting that each instance is technically its own entire “Reddit”, with their own admin team, who will of course have their own views, biases, and moderation policies.
Some will be completely over moderated, some won’t have any moderation at all. Some will be full of tankies, some might be hard right.
The difference between here and Reddit is that you have to actively filter unwanted stuff out - there’s no algorithm doing it for you. Perhaps that’s what some people find unpleasant about here?
If the community I want to participate is on an instance I don’t like or disagree with their instance-wide rules, what can I do?
Since you realistically aren’t going to get a community to change instances just because you don’t like the instance its on, you really only have two options…
If you’re determined to be on this community specifically, then you’re just going to have to tolerate the instance’s rules.
Otherwise, you can block that instance and try to look for a similar community in another instance. The double-edged sword of decentralisation is that you tend to get multiple similar communities in different places.
Oh it’s def a thing.
Besides lemmy.zip (i havent used it yet), I’ve noticed all of the most populated english-lang instances do this. I’d cite examples but I don’t feel like it.
Lemmy isn’t being used for Hasbara by Israel, for now.
Yeah… that might have something to do with it being “filled” with “brigading” tankies and anarchists.
Oh and the lack of more hobby-oriented communities is a major short-coming, and probably why Reddit still maintains a large userbase. Self-hosted and the radio instance are great examples, and more communities around those topics can bring folks over here.
Hobby communities need a community to survive. This is always the same argument against Lemmy. Or most Reddit alternatives. “I’m not going there. Not enough users.” It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
People forget Reddit was like that for the longest time, just tech and Le bacon narwhals at midnight.
IIRC the hobby subs that got big all somehow got some k8nd of vitality, either reaching /r/all or some influencer or content creator promote it
So someone need to make the comms here, hold the fort alone, then somehow market it to get more audience or get it viral
We should make an AI video about the best posts from !fuck_ai@lemmy.world
IIRC the hobby subs that got big all somehow got some k8nd of vitality, either reaching /r/all or some influencer or content creator promote it
So someone need to make the comms here, hold the fort alone, then somehow market it to get more audience or get it viral
if you are going to tankie triads, you might see that. LEMMY isnt overmoderated unless you go into the tankie instances. Reddit is way more oppressive due to some mods/admins being very aggressive with filtering, plus reddits own filters, and AI moderation which looks at the technical aspects of your computer or account to ban people.
world has the same issue and isnt tankie. the top 5 largest instances are based on ideology besides zip and the canadian and german ones
Ive tried commenting a couple of times but any time i give a direct link, its auto removed. At least in certain subreddits.
Ill spend my time here instead and call it a day.
reddit know kinda blocks links. its a further measure to eliminate “spam/bots.”
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Anyone wanna clue me in how we are not federated somehow with this oddsrabbit.com?
They don’t federate, it’s not ActivityPub, and it’s closed source
Quick search didn’t reveal it had ActivityPub or AT Protocol(?). So, not sure it can be federated with.
Also, quick look at the site FAQ shows they have ads and pay “content creators”. My personnal opinion, I’m not sure these are the kind of people we would want to federate with.
I wouldn’t mind them federating, but they don’t seem to be interested in doing so. Honestly it seems doomed though, without federation or a massive amount of cash any new platform isn’t going to take off.
If you compare it to piefed it shows how powerful federation can be in bootstrapping a new system from zero.
To answer the question posed in the title: this place is a vastly worse experience in every way, beyond ideology and philosophical feelz.
IDK I like Lemmy more than Reddit. And on a phone, Lemmy with a 3rd party app is vastly better
But I’d be interested to hear your specific ideas for improvements (not complaints, solutions)
this place is a vastly worse experience in every way,
Lemmy allows me to upload pictures into comments – reddit doesn’t do that. To put an image into a comment on reddit, you have to host the image elsewhere first.
That’s one tangible, objective way Lemmy is better than reddit.
this place is a vastly worse experience in every way
Do not treat what’s subjective as if it was objective.
If it’s worse for you, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. Perhaps it’s due to issues that can be solved, perhaps it’s some trade-off, who knows.
But if anyone here would claim “it’s warse 4 erryone else lol lmao”, then I’ll call it bullshit, because at least some people like it better than Reddit. Like Die4Ever (see his comment). Or me*.
*regardless of ideological or philosophical matters, I like:
- how there’s a larger ratio of decent people vs. (assumptive, bad-jacketing, sealioning, illiterate-but-still-screeching) waste here. In Reddit you can’t say “I like apples” without at least one assumer claiming you hate bananas, dammit.
- the [browser] interface is frankly better-looking IMO, once I got used to it.
- fancy comment formatting!
