• quips@slrpnk.net
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    6 days ago

    I get it but you’re gonna turn people away because it isn’t literally true.

    For example: I support trans people, but would oppose them forming an army and going on a murder spree.

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      6 days ago

      Don’t put limits on your allyship, “Trans Army going on a murder spree” is justified and also an awesome band name.

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      I used to think that. These days I’m over people being pedantic.

      I feel like pedantry these days serves corporations over workers, zionists over U.S. citizens and pedophile presidents.

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        6 days ago

        Well just know its turning people away and with a little bit more effort into precision in rhetoric you could have allies in those people

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          Is it though?

          I remember about a decade ago I read an article where the title was “If you’re still against weed legalization you’re just an asshole.” and it really hit home for me. Can we agree there’s a limit on how long a topic has to be a focus in society before the people who aren’t understanding are just choosing to be that way? How long have we been talking about this shit? How much longer until you would admit anyone who still doesn’t “get it” is just being an asshole?

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      Or what if ginger people called Clive formed a motorcycle gang with arseless chaps and terrorised the M21 - should I allow them to renew their Bridge Club membership?

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      A friend of mine and I once thought it would be funny to try to say “I’m not racist but…” and then follow it up with the most innocuous nonsense possible that had nothing to do with race, but it turns out, just by prefacing “I’m not racist but…” it kind of makes EVERYTHING racist.

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      Oh man I need to save that for a new avatar.

      But it’s not Simpsons based.

      I am so torn.

      But it’s a butt

      edit: i did it

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    7 days ago

    I support trans people, but if one of them cut my legs off with an axe, I’d probably be a little bit upset.

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    7 days ago

    I’ve removed a bunch of comments from this thread.

    The “but” in this meme means “But there are instances where I don’t support a trans person’s identity/equal rights”. It means that there is never a scenario where you think it’s ok to suggest that trans people should have less rights than cis people, and that there is never a scenario where you think it’s ok to invalidate a trans persons identity.

    If your reply is something along the signs of supporting the “but…” because you think “actually, there are some shitty trans people”, then cool, we know, but this isn’t the thread for it, and you’re pulling trans people down in a trans space, to defend a position no one was making. This isn’t that thread. This is a thread for support. So I’ve removed those “gotcha” replies.

    If your reply is “actually, there are times when trans people don’t deserve equal rights or to have their identity respected”, then your comment has been removed, and you’ve been permanently banned from all blahaj spaces.

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    7 days ago

    I don’t support ignorance. My own included.

    If you(the plural you, not you the person who’s comment I’m replying to) check out just because you hear the word but and presume to know what’s going to be said next or that you can judge that person without them saying another word then you could be a better person.

    In this specific example, one could have said I support trans people but I don’t have to like every one of them. Some of us do shitty things. That’s a percentage of every group and we have to be able to speak out against actual shit humans of every single type that exists.

    I don’t people that need to leave a conversation but I do expect responses to actual things said not what is predicted to say.

    I don’t say this just for the way I speak and communicate. There are many people who struggle to communicate well the thoughts and feelings they feel. Perhaps they don’t know your language very well. I’m very given to find some way a phrase or word can be used differently than I’ve ever heard it used before. I’ve also seen immigrants with poor language skills get hated on for using expressions they hear without fully understanding them. It’s taught me to try to see the literal meaning of words spoken to me. And it’s also made me extremely pedantic when I’m simply trying to be cautious and specific with my words.

    I may have many ignorant ideas left to discover and examine. It’s almost certain that I do.

    I believe in giving people the chance to express or explain themselves. I also believe in giving people enough rope to hang themselves.

    If you are not harming yourself and other people it’s none of my business. If you are only harming yourself and no one else, I’m less decided.

    Situations matter. Context matters. Intent matters, Consequences matter

    Let people be who they are, if you find the aren’t your people then you at least learned something you probably needed to know.

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      I think it’s because it typically falls into the pattern of “This is something I feel I have to say, but here’s three paragraphs of what I actually believe.”

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    Ooo I wanna try

    I support Trans people but this coffee shop this Trans lady in town opened, her coffee is sour. Will someone please teach her to make coffee so supporting her doesn’t taste bad?

    How was that? Also why does my autocarrot capitalize Trans? Is it like Black when referring to identifiers? The Chicago manual of style didn’t prepare me for this

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      Sure, but you’ve also unveiled an implicit bias there.

      It’s like saying the person was black. You didn’t need to, it has no bearing on the story. It shows that something about that particular characteristic had an effect on the situation for you, even subconsciously.

      It’s not the hugest deal, it might not even be negative. I catch myself doing it sometimes, we all have stuff that was built into us that we don’t know is there.

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      Fresh light roast coffee is sour and it’s supposed to be and I love it. If you don’t like sour coffee get darker roasts or shittier coffee. Just saying. Get a great blonde roast shot of espresso pulled for yourself sometime, life changing.

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    I support trans people, but half of you have the naming convention of a 19th century boarding school novel or a Star Wars EU background charact who inexplicably has a book series that would fit surprisingly well a Warhammer 40k chaos novel.

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    Let me make this clear. A lot of you are missing the point.

    If you support trans rights and you support someones identity, but you maybe don’t support a trans billionaire as mentioned by one commenter, then that’s but “I support trans people, but”. That’s just supporting trans people.

    If your support for someones identity or rights is conditional then that would be the problem. Phrases like the one in the comic is often made when saying something controversial and invalidating, like only supporting some trans people or thinking it’s okay to misgender certain trans people.

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    7 days ago

    I support trans people, but I’m also ok with non-trans people and anyone between and otherwise!