what is the furthest you’d go immorally for a fresh salary? Hell I’d work for Palantir for a nice $250k or be a manager at Evil Corporation Inc if I got a crisp $300k.
or are you a goody two shoes who will stand by your principles even if it means pain!
250k is SO LOW man. It’s not that hard to get by and be happy on 60k a year if you use your money right. Your happiness and peace can’t be quantified. Do you want to enjoy life, love people, and make the world better? Or just be another parasite who makes everyone’s life just a bit worse every day
I’m not comfortable with even mild compromise.
Yeah, I feel like if I’d call something my personal “moral” that there’s a pretty hard line there. That said, I guess I don’t have more than a few real morals, though.
Been there, done that - kept my morals/ethics. I am retiring this year. Not as well off as maybe I could have been but I can look myself in the mirror and I sleep well at night. I have enough. Not as much as others who put money above everything, but enough. I also never need to worry about someone stabbing me or shooting me because my business caused loss to them. I don’t have to worry that my partner or children are toxic and only want my money which often happens to people who don’t have ethics or morals and are only out for the money themselves - like attracts like?
Gross take. Call me a goody two shoes if you want, but I wouldn’t, and I actively look down on people who do.
The only way you’d get me to work for those kinds of companies is if I could actively sabotage them from the inside.
I wouldn’t work for Palantir for any amount of money under any circumstance I can imagine.
I wouldn’t be able to live with myself.
This question really highlights how this is by design.
The system becomes more and more expensive to exist in, forcing people to choose money over morals every day just to survive.
Because if you’re living paycheck to paycheck, of course you’ll work for raytheon.
Of course youll take that 50k cash for joining the ICE gestapo.
Of course you’ll only ever buy the cheapest shit from amazon and temu despite then using slave labour and killing factory workers.
Of course you’ll give up your morals to not have to live like everyone else that’s been made into the impoverished 90% of the population, on the astronomical chance you’ll get a taste of the 1% life.
Buying less is the closest thing you can do to an ethical choice. So I have started to grow some of my own food and encourage friends to come round mine instead of going to a restaurant, plus I can make better food and brew my own mead.
How many people working at Auschwitz were justifying it by needing the money, what did they need the money for?
nobody working for raytheon is working paycheck to paycheck. their starting salaries are over 100K for entry level jobs.
not to mention they make a lot more they weapons. they make radars and sensors.
Salary level has nothing to do with “living paycheck to paycheck.” I’ve met plenty of well paid people that fit that description. Either because of cost of living or just because they’re dumb and can’t live below their means.
salary level well above median income and you’re living paycheck to paycheck is a personal problem. Not a social problem.
You misread my comment. I said “If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, of course you’ll work for raytheon” meaning that someone who is living on the edge of homelessness will give up their morals and take the job at raytheon, because of the money.
Radars and sensors for what, schoolbuses? Hospitals?
A company making military hardware doesn’t need to make explosives for them to be making weapons.
The same way these AI companies don’t have to pull the trigger, they just provide server space to run their ‘target acquisition’ software and let the jackbooted thugs do the rest.
someone living on the edge of homelessness won’t ever be hired by them. Their workforce is upper middle class professionals.
for aviation and boats and civilian applications. they also make navigation systems, autopilots, etc.
I have friends who work for Raytheon, last time I checked they were just nerdy engineers, not jackbooted thugs.
When you’re in a wilful misrepresentation competition and your opponent is an online commenter…
I didn’t say your friends were jackbooted thugs. I am talking about the people and governments that these companies supply.
I would, however, say your friends are working for a company that is actively arming and supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Im an out of work professional who could conveivably work at raytheon and it kinda depends on what you mean by edge but eventually if something does not happen myself and my wife will be homeless. Savings run out.
I would never take a job at Palantir, United Healthcare, Nestle, Lockheed martin DeBeers. I don’t give a fuck if they offered me million, but I’m Neurodivergent with a strong sense of justice while lacking the mental ability to act on it.
I’d take the job, but I’d be shit at it and basically just goof off all day
Haha it’s weaponized incompetence. I would take a job at Palantir to sabotage it - especially if they paid me a lot
Take it, suck just enough at the job to not get fired, use the money to lobby against evil policies/fund grassroots groups that support ‘changing’ the current politicians out
Did not and still would not.
Hell, I even got fired from a nursing job for telling doctors they did a poor job with a patient to their face. While being the main income, with two kids.
You adapt, find something else.
No regrets, would even say it’s a building moment for oneself. If you fold at the first pression, you’ll always fold. My moral compass is too important for me to sell it.
Can’t find ? Change job, change region, change country. Most of the time, you have a choice.
I “sold out” i was desperate and took a job with Burson-Marsteller a major crisis response public relations company. I got fired after 4 months for making fun of a client to a co-worker. I saw some shit that made me never go against my morals after that. The worst thing (that I can talk about since it was leaked to the press already) was Mars candy company lobbying congress to make sugar based snacks part of school lunches.
this was my response. I would 100% take the job but not hold onto like its gold. Speak up. Challenge bs things. etc. sure you will get fired but you will get some money.
I’d rather live on the streets than work for palantir.
You’re pricing yourself too cheaply. My soul is easily worth seven figures…
Seriously, if you’re willing to do immoral things for money you need to take a hard look at yourself and your views about what is moral and why. And are you willing to do things that will make anonymous strangers suffer? How about your friends? Research strongly suggests that a willingness to put the good of the community above our own needs is probably why humans as a species are still around. What kind of person do you want to see in the mirror every morning?
Everyone’s a saint until the rent’s due…
I’m currently working on making a graceful exit from a position I’m no longer comfortable with, so it’s hard to say what I’d do if offered a massive salary to put myself back into a similar situation.
I suspect that there are few ethically pure jobs out there, and very few alternatives that don’t feed into the orphan crushing machine somehow. So in my mind it comes down to striking a balance between what impact your position has, what level of control you exercise over what the company does, and what you can do outside of work to try and improve the system.
Are you willing to campaign and vote against the interests of your employer even if it means the possibility of being laid off or fired? Does supporting yourself financially provide a benefit to marginalized people by making the scarce aid they can find more available to them? Are you designing products or processes to increase other’s misery or just mopping the floor? If you quit, what impact would it have on the org as a whole?
I don’t think there’s a simple answer to this, and I’ve long felt that we allow our occupations define our identites to an unhealthy degree, so I’d rather judge and be judged based on one’s beliefs and actions outside of work than for participating in a system designed to force our participation.
I once quit a well-paying job on the spot.
I was asked to write nuclear reactor safety specifications that I did not feel remotely qualified to write.
I get everything I need from my current salary, so right now it would be infinity dollars. More money won’t make me happier and an eviler job would make me less happy.
But if my family was in danger of becoming homeless, then I would do nearly anything to protect them. It’s easy to say now, but I’d probably value their lives at significantly more than the lives I’d take. Especially if I felt the victims were deserving somehow.
It depends on how dispersed the consequences are. Definitely no single human life is ruined.
I’d steal a dollar from a 100k people.
I’d not steal 100k from one person if they’re not a multimillionaire at least.
