I know that this low-key reads as “why not men” and that I might be underinformed, but, don’t trans men have similar issues? I thought that the trans issues were not gender specific.
they are gender specific, trans women typically face more violence, get paid less and transition later than trans men (and this is exacerbated even more for Black and Indigenous trans people)
this is not to say that trans men face no issues, obviously. but for example, on the pay gap, a study in canada found that
On average, transgender women earned 18 per cent less annually than cisgender men. The earnings gap was 13 per cent for non-binary people and 9.2 per cent for transgender men.
Note that this is the average wage and not comparing equal jobs. I.e. this might also be a skill gap issue due to the effort and strain of transitioning.
To be clear, and sorry if this is a dumb question, when you and the study say “trans(gender) women” does it mean MTF (born male, transitioned to female), or FTM (born female, transitioned to male)?
It’s my understanding that the gender after transgender ____ (e.g. transgender women) referred to their current gender.
your understanding is correct, when we say trans {gender} we mean the gender we are now, not what we thought we were
think of it like this: why would we want to refer to ourselves by what we thought we were instead of what we are? why would we, for example, call ourselves “former men” instead of women?
sorry if my explanation is a bit confusing, but in short, yes trans woman means MTF and trans man means FTM 😅
That makes sense, I just thought it was interesting that the pay gap was for transgender women. I wonder if the same applies to both non passing trans women and passing trans women?
i think it’s just that the poster is a trans women and wanted to raise awareness through a meme about a struggle related to her identity
though i think it’s also worth noting that trans women are being disproportionately targeted due to the unique intersections of oppression faced. (see that one english/british court ruling last year or so that declared trans women as not women, without saying anything about trans men; v-coding; the disproportionate attacks on transgender women of color; the disproportionate attacks on transgender sex workers, most of whom are women, vs cis sex workers)
though i don’t see any reason why she couldn’t have just said trans people. i doubt she thought about it that deeply really
I know that this low-key reads as “why not men” and that I might be underinformed, but, don’t trans men have similar issues? I thought that the trans issues were not gender specific.
they are gender specific, trans women typically face more violence, get paid less and transition later than trans men (and this is exacerbated even more for Black and Indigenous trans people)
this is not to say that trans men face no issues, obviously. but for example, on the pay gap, a study in canada found that
Note that this is the average wage and not comparing equal jobs. I.e. this might also be a skill gap issue due to the effort and strain of transitioning.
To be clear, and sorry if this is a dumb question, when you and the study say “trans(gender) women” does it mean MTF (born male, transitioned to female), or FTM (born female, transitioned to male)?
It’s my understanding that the gender after transgender ____ (e.g. transgender women) referred to their current gender.
your understanding is correct, when we say trans {gender} we mean the gender we are now, not what we thought we were
think of it like this: why would we want to refer to ourselves by what we thought we were instead of what we are? why would we, for example, call ourselves “former men” instead of women?
sorry if my explanation is a bit confusing, but in short, yes trans woman means MTF and trans man means FTM 😅
That makes sense, I just thought it was interesting that the pay gap was for transgender women. I wonder if the same applies to both non passing trans women and passing trans women?
i think it’s just that the poster is a trans women and wanted to raise awareness through a meme about a struggle related to her identity
though i think it’s also worth noting that trans women are being disproportionately targeted due to the unique intersections of oppression faced. (see that one english/british court ruling last year or so that declared trans women as not women, without saying anything about trans men; v-coding; the disproportionate attacks on transgender women of color; the disproportionate attacks on transgender sex workers, most of whom are women, vs cis sex workers)
though i don’t see any reason why she couldn’t have just said trans people. i doubt she thought about it that deeply really
Yeah dw, i didn’t read the post that deeply, I interpreted her message as you did.
Agreed on the intersection though.