“But it also takes a lot of energy to train a human,” Altman said. “It takes like 20 years of life and all of the food you eat during that time before you get smart. And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how to figure out science and whatever, to produce you.”
So in his view, the fair comparison is, “If you ask ChatGPT a question, how much energy does it take once its model is trained to answer that question versus a human? And probably, AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis, measured that way.”
Wasn’t technology developed to improve humanity’s quality of life? Are we being compared with it and determined as inefficient now?
Aren’t humans and biological creatures in general found to be extremely efficient with energy? Given the computing power in our brains the fact it runs on so little is amazing no?
Doesn’t the human brain do what it does on like the same electricity as a lightbulb?
12 watts maybe. But there is no currents and flashes like internet bullshit images.
What kind of bulb are we talking here?
In Altman’s case it’s a dimbulb.
Yes, it’s disingenuous for him to bring up all the time used for humans to evolve as well. If we’re going to go that far, we also ought to include the energy/time used by the engineers who created ChatGPT, and all the energy used by plants/animals in the evolution leading to those engineers. Not to mention all the time/energy/training of all the people who created the training data over the past few centuries.
Frankly, at that point, any human artist is more “efficient” than AI - they’re able to master their field in mere decades.
I really don’t think he meant it that way. Think of it like this - if I want to generate some images, my GPU will run at 100% for few minutes. If I want to play cyberpunk, my GPU will run at 100% for hours.
I think if he meant it that way he would have said that, instead of talking about the energy that humans use and particularly talking about food.
train a human
This guy has the same level of empathy as Zuck.
dystopian novel type shit
People fucking hate AI now, surely talking about humanity as if they are a bunch of livestock will turn that sentiment right around.
Fuck Sam Altman, fucking cunt
Humans should not have to compete for resources hogged by tech.
Someone on Bluesky pointed out that, even if you ignore the morality of this argument, AI is trained on human content, so if we’re going to start examining the human energy cost, we’ll have to factor in the cost of every single human whose work was used by ChatGPT on top of the data center costs.
Which makes the fact that their predictive text models are incapable of original thought that much more absurd.
The humans still exist and need food, even if they are replaced by chatbots in the workforce. The comparison is therefore useless, unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
A modest proposal
unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
Well, that’s precisely what some of the Trump-aligned fascists are suggesting on live television.
What the shit
Also
involuntary lethal injection
as opposed to voluntary?? He’s trying to soften the language by adding that (totally redundant) extra adjective to remove focus from the ‘lethal’ part
How the fuck does involuntary soften the language?
Plan is obvious… to me. Why not so to everybody else
but PER QUESTION how many kilowatt hours are they using. not just in their heads, in their hearts and in their booties.
I don’t but the police work for me since I am a billionaire and they can murder the unemployed for me!
To save the working man, you’ve got to put him out to pasture
Soup us Good Food - Dead Kennedys
Idk maybe we should do something about this man.
do it
I’ll get this one if you take Thiel
Silicon valley was a huge source of revenue for America… And when you have one industry, or a bunch of individuals making all the money - it risks authoritarianism capture of democracy.
That’s just capitalism working as intended.
Train him?
lmao best comment ever
Why? He’s doing his best to show how absurd our current system is.
I wonder why nobody has Mangione’d those filthy millionaires yet.
I have no idea why people keep using an innocent man’s name to talk about murdering people.
He didn’t do anything, so saying that you Mangione someone it means you don’t do anything with him =]
Well, they’re trying to kill him (Luigi), so that’s a valid interpretation.
Any of those man-eating predators still around?
He’s not efficient enough for current construct. Exterminate!
And humans also built the fucking power plants and pay for the energy they use, asshole.
These people fundamentally do not think about human life in a normal way.
It literally warms my heart to know they are all just as temporary as the rest of us. And how afraid they are of being dust in the wind
by this logic AI has also used the knowledge of 100 billion people and has the same starting energy debt as a person. with the added bonus that it can’t actually create anything new. Even their dumbass arguments can’t stand under their own weight
According to the article, this was his literal next sentence:
And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how to figure out science and whatever, to produce you.
Where’s Alannis Morissette when you need her?
I can outperform ai while being powered by a bag of cinema popcorn, sit your bitch arse down
Hey don’t get angry at me, it is them immigrants fault I had to dehumanize you
Those lazy immigrants, sitting at home doing nothing, taking all our welfare and jobs.
AI actually kind of manages to do that: it takes jobs and then doesn’t do them (or at least doesn’t do them nearly as well as the humans it replaces).
But, a 4% success rate!
Oh good, the Bitcoin argument.
“Sure, Bitcoin wastes a lot of energy, but you know what else wastes energy? The Visa payment network.”
Yeah, but Visa handles six quadrispillion transactions per megawatthour, Bitcoin handles two drug purchases. Not the same results, is it?
So yeah, training humans takes a lot of energy. But in the end, you get a coherent, capable and well functioning individual. Spend the same energy on training LLMs and you get a system that’ll happily tell you to glue the cheese on pizza or something.
Not trying to defend the idiotic argument, but feels like more often than not the human output is not what I would call coherent, capable and well functioning.
Well to be fair, we’re putting those resources into AI and not schools.
Well another argument they have is the amount of waste that comes with the churn of fiat currency, where we inflate asset values in order to deliberately grow aggregate demand.
The housing bubble for instance was obviously cheap debt, which was used to grow aggregate consumption, by rewarding asset holders thus encouraging them to offload their asset to increase the velocity of money.
On the gold standard the average mortgage was 7 years, which was because there was less need to grow the money supply, because we werent trying to force an inflation target. Massive windfalls werent common, and thus housing wasnt being bid up via the cantillon effect, so was better for society in many ways when consumption wasnt being forced onto people.
The problem was that things started breaking at scale under the gold standard. The great depression happened under the gold standard, and financial institutions had no ability to do anything to fix the mass hysteria.
Yes, the house as an investment vehicle rather than a house is a problem, but it’s not because of fiat currency per se. The population density increasing under a capitalistic system pretty much guarantees that housing becomes a speculative asset regardless of the specifics of the currency system.
Meanwhile BTC has been wildly unpredictable and when it’s at its most hyped, massively deflationary which is also a terrible thing.
Yeah because nobody drugs with any other method than bitcoin. Clutch those pearls harder while you wash down your leagal and totally not drugs pharmaceutical pills and alcohol.
Mistaking the map for the territory. The argument isn’t that bitcoin is bad because it’s used to buy drugs, it’s bad because the network would choke if it even had to handle the economic activity of a moderately sized town.
Ha! I have never had a disease nor one sip of the alghoul’s poison.
More of an inhalant type monarch, eh?
It’s like he asked his chatbot to come up with this argument.
