I want episodic sci-fi plots with an ensemble cast and minimal, yet still present, slow burn character growth and world building.
I want a show that in one episode is willing to say the entirety of American culture is wantonly racist and the next be about playing baseball in VR, all complete with semi-stage play-style, scenery chewing acting. Giamatti delivered on that part, to be fair, but it just felt so mismatched with the rest of the chaos.
I don’t know what DS9’s secret sauce is because I’ve tried to get into Babylon 5 a few times and it never hooks me. I don’t think it can be just the cultural cache of Star Trek, but it’s something.
Don’t get me wrong man, I binge star trek routinely. I’m currently hopping between DS9 and Voyager.
B5 just hits harder in a different way. It elicits an emotional response with the finale that tops even the most soul crushing anime like Your lie in April and Angel Beats. It has tons of parallels to today’s world and the story goes well beyond a bite sized episode.
It’s got it’s flaws. There are plenty of episodes that are rough patches especially in S1, and S5 can be very meh, but for it’s time it’s a marvel. In a world of sitcoms and one offs it delivered a story with tons of plots that go beyond just a two part episode. It’s a show that feels way more modern in good ways despite the low resolution and relatively small budget.
Like any show though, it’s not for everyone. It never got the mass appeal that star trek attained, but it feels like a much more realistic future than star trek will ever be unfortunately.
If we were only 4 episodes into DS9’s original airing, people would be losing their minds complaining about how terrible of a show it is. The first season was terrible.
Compared to TNG’s first season, it was prestige T. V. (O. K., maybe not that good; but I had no problem watching it without having to try again, later).
I watched the series premiere back in the day. It was phenomenal. You exist here. It is not linear.
Duet is still hands down one of the best episodes of tv ever.
Dramatis Personae made one mistake and that was it was shown too early in the show for the casts amazing performance.
Dax was a good courthouse show. The Nagus was a good episode. Progress is a slow but good episode dealing with how a former freedom fighter has to learn to compromise.
I’ll admit season one isn’t as good as what follows but I’m not ready to say it was even close to terrible.
Now, since we brought up DS9 (ty btw), I’d like to point something out. Tawny Newsome is listed as a producer in the credits for academy, she’s a huge DS9 fan. This last academy ep I had to hear Vance deliver the line “May the Klingon gods help us.” There are times when producers probably should pass notes down, and this was one. The Klingons killed their gods. Tawny, you should have spoke up.
Nu Trek is all about looking flashy without any real thought put past that. The stories and themes are poorly written and presented, characters that should be highly trained professionals acting like they just graduated high school last week and maybe skimmed the chapter names of their particular profession. Contradictory retcons of established lore for no real reason than the writer thought it would be cool.
Agreed. We finally get a show set in the future with a cast that doesn’t bring back characters we already know and people are allegedly up in arms about it. Perhaps they need another series set around ST:TOS with Spock and Kirk since we don’t have enough of that already.
WTF? What do you people want???
A show about competent people exploring the universe?
Yeah the competence porn of TNG is very comforting in this insane times.
They cancelled lower decks.
Star Trek Deep Space Nine 2, of course.
I want episodic sci-fi plots with an ensemble cast and minimal, yet still present, slow burn character growth and world building.
I want a show that in one episode is willing to say the entirety of American culture is wantonly racist and the next be about playing baseball in VR, all complete with semi-stage play-style, scenery chewing acting. Giamatti delivered on that part, to be fair, but it just felt so mismatched with the rest of the chaos.
I just want garrick back tbh, and quark. Those two completely stole the show.
Come on, you were so close when you almost said Babylon 5.
I don’t know what DS9’s secret sauce is because I’ve tried to get into Babylon 5 a few times and it never hooks me. I don’t think it can be just the cultural cache of Star Trek, but it’s something.
Don’t get me wrong man, I binge star trek routinely. I’m currently hopping between DS9 and Voyager.
B5 just hits harder in a different way. It elicits an emotional response with the finale that tops even the most soul crushing anime like Your lie in April and Angel Beats. It has tons of parallels to today’s world and the story goes well beyond a bite sized episode.
It’s got it’s flaws. There are plenty of episodes that are rough patches especially in S1, and S5 can be very meh, but for it’s time it’s a marvel. In a world of sitcoms and one offs it delivered a story with tons of plots that go beyond just a two part episode. It’s a show that feels way more modern in good ways despite the low resolution and relatively small budget.
Like any show though, it’s not for everyone. It never got the mass appeal that star trek attained, but it feels like a much more realistic future than star trek will ever be unfortunately.
If we were only 4 episodes into DS9’s original airing, people would be losing their minds complaining about how terrible of a show it is. The first season was terrible.
That is a phenomenal point
Compared to TNG’s first season, it was prestige T. V. (O. K., maybe not that good; but I had no problem watching it without having to try again, later).
We were saying that.
I watched the series premiere back in the day. It was phenomenal. You exist here. It is not linear.
Duet is still hands down one of the best episodes of tv ever.
Dramatis Personae made one mistake and that was it was shown too early in the show for the casts amazing performance.
Dax was a good courthouse show. The Nagus was a good episode. Progress is a slow but good episode dealing with how a former freedom fighter has to learn to compromise.
I’ll admit season one isn’t as good as what follows but I’m not ready to say it was even close to terrible.
Now, since we brought up DS9 (ty btw), I’d like to point something out. Tawny Newsome is listed as a producer in the credits for academy, she’s a huge DS9 fan. This last academy ep I had to hear Vance deliver the line “May the Klingon gods help us.” There are times when producers probably should pass notes down, and this was one. The Klingons killed their gods. Tawny, you should have spoke up.
Something that isn’t form over substance.
Nu Trek is all about looking flashy without any real thought put past that. The stories and themes are poorly written and presented, characters that should be highly trained professionals acting like they just graduated high school last week and maybe skimmed the chapter names of their particular profession. Contradictory retcons of established lore for no real reason than the writer thought it would be cool.
I want more Strange New Worlds, not more Discovery.
Set post-DS9 please
Or even post-voyager, that’s fine too.
… A show that is good.
This show is terrible.
Agreed. We finally get a show set in the future with a cast that doesn’t bring back characters we already know and people are allegedly up in arms about it. Perhaps they need another series set around ST:TOS with Spock and Kirk since we don’t have enough of that already.