• LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world
    21·
    7 days ago

    It’s insanity. I had to upgrade my work laptop to windows 11 this week.

    IT didn’t do their research and turns out our main software isn’t compatible with windows 11 at all. So i had to downgrade back to windows 10. When i did, photos don’t work and the microsoft store wont open.

    Windows is such a horrible system, i have no idea why they made it so poorly. I could have installed any distro of linux and had it working well in less than 20 minutes. Upgrading to windows 11 took almost 2 hours and it still didn’t work.

    Now IT has to scramble to find a solution before the 14th and we lose all security updates, which they are very concerned about. What a nightmare to be in IT.

    • WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world
      12·
      7 days ago

      It’s always a nightmare being in IT lol

      Nobody ever calls to say, “Hey! Just wanted to let you know that my email is working great, keep up the good work!”

      We only hear from people when shit is broken.

      Being in a windows shop only makes it 100x more difficult and expensive.

    • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      7 days ago

      Install Windows - does updates as part of the installation process. Get to desktop and check for updates - more updates to install. Reboot and check for updates again - yet more updates.

    • groet@feddit.org
      4·
      7 days ago

      No it will update and once that is done it will shut down. But the update includes a restart so it will restart and then require you to type your password so it can finish the update, after which it will shut down.

    • Wilmo Bones@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      Gnome Software does this with offline upgrades. It’s optional. Doing sudo dnf upgrade is the same as sudo apt update && upgrade. No reboot. Obviously you should reboot for kernels and certain hooks but otherwise yeah. You can disable gnome software automatic downloads etc

    • JojoWakaki@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      6 days ago

      “I use arch … btw”, also btw

      For APT enjoyers, alias yay="sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade"

      Also, alias nay="yay -Rns"

      Or yeet if you prefer, for the yay/nay or yay/yeet pair.

      • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        Is it?

        refresh makes it more clear than update that you’re not updating the computer’s packages, just the database of packages

        DPKG based distros also need dist-upgrade or full-upgrade, rather than just upgrade, when you are switching versions where removals might be needed

        • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
          2·
          6 days ago

          Oh don’t get me wrong, I use Suse on a laptop. The commands strike me as funny looking. Like if I didn’t know what they did.

          There is nothing more serious than Zypper!

  • dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    75·
    7 days ago

    Enough of these dumb memes already. Do we really so desperately need to boost our self esteem that fucking much? Yes Linux has it’s cool benefits over Windows. We fucking know.

    • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      I agree. Enough with these simple memes - we need full-on propaganda!

      You know what my OS doesn’t do? Yeah, exactly. That’s the better question now.

      PS I love you

    • SmoochyPit@lemmy.ca
      39·
      7 days ago

      Maybe OP knew all along that they wanted to use the previous package list to upgrade and fetch the new one after! Maybe we’re all actually inverting it…

      (I’m just being silly, I recognize that an old package list would probably cause issues with installing or upgrading packages.)

      • groet@feddit.org
        6·
        6 days ago

        (I’m just being silly, I recognize that an old package list would probably cause issues with installing or upgrading packages.)

        No problems anywhere you can always install older versions from a repo.

        Upgrade -> update two days ago and then again today will leave me with exactly the same packages as it would if I ran it correctly the first time and then not at all today. Just the state of two days ago.

      • MimicJar@lemmy.world
        19·
        7 days ago

        I mean technically you did “update” the OS. It wasn’t a particularly useful command by going second, but I bet it was fast.

        • groet@feddit.org
          2·
          6 days ago

          If you run it like that every day you will always be one day behind in packages. Not realy that big of a problem (unless on an internet facing server)

      • dev_null@lemmy.ml
        5·
        7 days ago

        It’s fine! You were trying to show how Windows is better because you can’t make a mistake like that and succeeded!

        I’m joking

    • Storm@slrpnk.net
      7·
      7 days ago

      Thank you, I mostly use pacman but have Debian (rasbian?) on raspberry pi and was fully willing to believe I’d been updating it wrong this whole time

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works
      107·
      7 days ago

      That’s the best part of this post. Windows is fully automatic, while on Linux you need to tell apart two terminal commands with confusing naming.

      • eta@feddit.orgEnglish
        19·
        7 days ago

        Not necessarily. On Arch it’s just “sudo pacman -Syu” and on Fedora it’s just “sudo dnf update”.

          • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world
            62·
            7 days ago

            If you’re too stupid to remember one or two commands there are GUI applications available where you can click “a button” to update your system.

            Or make an alias with the update command and name it “update”. This works on every distro.

              • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world
                41·
                7 days ago

                If you can’t remember one or two commands then you are in fact stupid. With that said, Linux is for everyone.

                There are distros that have auto updates as a feature they ship (Linux Mint comes to mind). There are distros that are basically impossible to break and there are distros where you are responsible for building your own system and keeping it functioning. It all depends on your own needs. Linux gives you the freedom to choose and there are more than one way to do things.

      • moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub
        12·
        7 days ago

        On linux, you can do what you wish. You can use a desktop environment with a GUI software center that pops up a notification that prompts you to install updates. Or update by opening the software center and selecting the ones you want. Or use the terminal commands. Or write an alias so you can type “update” and have it execute all your commands in the right order. Or script it to run silently in the background on an automated schedule.

        And you can use your computer during updates, there’s no mandatory update during shutdown/boot.

        • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          21·
          7 days ago

          If I try to update my GPU while I’m running a game sometimes it falls back to integrated graphics and gets slow+warm til I restart. That’s a fuckup I just couldn’t make on windows. Sorry, checkmate fosscommie.

            • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
              6·
              7 days ago

              fun fact: GPU drivers on Windows run in userspace, because MS got fed up with all the blue screens they caused and kicked them out of the kernel. if the GPU driver crashes, the screen will go dark for a second and then flick back on. if the GPU driver can’t restart then Windows will fall back to software rendering.

              • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
                3·
                7 days ago

                Which is what you see happening when updating or reinstalling a gpu driver.

                Funny thing is, gpu drivers can still cause a bsod by causing fuckups in the directx driver, which ive seen happen :')

      • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        7 days ago

        On Mint I set up an automatic update schedule and have been double checking it when I think to. All GUI, no terminal commands. So far it’s been seamless. (Knock on wood)

      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
        3·
        7 days ago

        You think ive touched the apt commands in linux…?
        I mean, youre right, but thats because i like to be hands on. But i dont have to if i wanted :p

      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
        6·
        7 days ago

        Op inverted. apt update updates the local package cache of apt so it knows what packages have updates. apt upgrade then installs those updates.

      • CoyoteFacts@piefed.caEnglish
        27·
        7 days ago

        Whoa, do you have something to read up on that? I’d be extremely surprised, since apt-get is supposed to be the script-safe variant, i.e. I’d imagine it’s the more stable of the two.

        • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          23·
          7 days ago

          It’s actually just personal experience, but I stopped using apt-get a few years back now because I noticed if I did apt after apt-get there would often be a bunch of packages it missed.

          Edit: looks like it might be because apt-get can’t satisfy dependencies install new packages when upgrading while apt can since apt is a suite of different apt tools rolled into one.

          • CoyoteFacts@piefed.caEnglish
            13·
            7 days ago

            Yeah I’m reading a little bit on it, and it seems like apt-get can’t install new packages during an upgrade. On initial reading I was thinking there were specific packages it couldn’t download or something, but this makes sense too. Regardless, this is news to me; I always assumed that apt and apt-get were the same process, just with apt-get having stable text output for awk’ing and apt being human-readable. I’ve been using nala for a long time anyway, but this is very useful knowledge.

          • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
            7·
            7 days ago

            Wait what.

            apt-get is made for scripting, apt is interactive. Both should resolve dependencies. dpkg does not resolve them.

            But for interactive usage always use apt, guides using apt-get have no idea what they are doing

        • ExtremeDullard@piefed.socialEnglish
          9·
          7 days ago

          apt generally downloads more things than apt-get on my Debian machine. apt-get never broke anything, but I tend to eye it suspiciously now.