Thanks! I mean, it’s more Linux in general than anything furry related, but talking about it with other furs is nice. :3

Debian actually has 260 in testing, now.

Which fucking sucks, because systemd 260 ALSO just dropped sysvinit script support. Which… hey, we on alternate init systems kind of need those??

They better not try to use that as leverage to make Debian drop (or just bitrot) the “old” and “outdated” init scripts that work with all the normal init systems.

– Frost

Finally, we’re not just the Crazy Weirdos anymore!

It’d be awesome to get alternate init systems on, say, Debian hammered out into a more user-friendly shape. It’s already fairly decent but feels a tad precarious and the initial setup is way too involved. (We’re running OpenRC personally.)

– Frost

Hah, even after switching to openrc we’ve still got libsystemd0 on our system for some reason, so I bet intune would still work!

Gentoo looks pretty awesome, I’ve been thinking about trying it at some point.

– Frost

(edit: I thought you meant looking at tiny distros to get away from systemd, as opposed to the big-name ones which pretty much all use systemd. ignore this if not)

We use OpenRC on stock Debian. After some annoying initial setup hurdles it actually works pretty well, and I don’t think it’s gonna break randomly on us.

So that might be an option, too. As long as Debian doesn’t remove the sysvinit scripts because “oh everyone’s using systemd now”…

– Frost

Honestly, they seem a lot less shitty culturally in general (less take-over-the-world-y). It’s not a guarantee, of course, but they’re probably less likely to do that.

Also (and perhaps more importantly), once you’re on any alternative init, you can move between init systems pretty easily (though you may have to rewrite any custom scripts you wrote, sysvinit scripts should be compatible with everything). It’s just the init system you’re swapping out, and not all sorts of random system stuff like systemd’s got its tentacles into.

We use OpenRC on stock Debian. It actually works pretty well, and I’m REALLY hoping it stays that way.

– Frost

Needs a better DAC (see the comments about bandwidth upthread). You need a few MHz to put out video, which is far beyond anything audio requires, even the ridiculously high sample rate “audiophile” stuff.

– Frost

re E: thanks!! *wags* My headmate Ylfingr drew it in Inkscape. :3

– Frost

It’s not about “the unix philosophy”.

It’s about how one project is trying to do more, and more, and more, and more, and trying to entrench itself as deeply as possible so you can’t just use something else if you don’t like it.

(Oh, and this new political stuff? Now there’s a concrete reason to use something else.)

The problem with systemd isn’t technical, it’s political, IMO. Oh I mean sure there’s plenty of technical reasons to hate it too (binary logs anyone?), but that’s not the main problem.

systemd would actually be pretty nice, if it stuck to just being a service manager. Unfortunately, yeah.

Oh, and everyone ALWAYS goes “oh but the only other option is a hodgepodge of scripts! you don’t want a hodgepodge of scripts! bow down and accept systemd”. Ever seen, like, any of the other init systems that are out there? We’re running OpenRC right now and it’s pretty fantastic. (Granted, sysv scripts are still the lowest common denominator, but there are other options. OpenRC’s got declarative service files too, and they’re actually way nicer than systemd’s service files when you need to break out of the declarative format and do a little script stuff. systemd made us stuff everything into one line.)

And before you dismiss me as Just Some Oldhead™, we actually moved to Linux (from Mac) well AFTER systemd was already entrenched. So this isn’t a “you hate change” thing.

– Frost

“You should know: [totally horrible political sexual abuse thing with absolutely no kind of warning on it at all]”

…no, I really, really didn’t need to know that, thanks

– Frost

I’m not straight or bi, but furry, and furry porn has none of that stuff (well, I’m sure it exists if you go looking for it, but it’s not like, plastered everywhere).

It’s weird hearing about the totally different norms of human porn!

– Frost

Oh no, my cover’s blown!

– Frost

yes please! We’re using OpenRC on Debian right now, it’s very nice. Way less annoying than systemd.

– Frost

btrfs subvolumes are cool, but I’ll still take partitions for separation. The whole point of having a separate home partition is that it’s separate from / if we have to, say, reinstall the OS, or the filesystem breaks or whatever.

sure it might be possible to install an OS into a btrfs subvolume without wiping other subvolumes, but do I wanna risk it? Nah.

– Frost

openrc’s pretty great too. Nice to write scripts for (…but writing sysvinit scripts gives you compatibility with other init systems for free, so…) and has user services and stuff.

Never tried any of the other other init systems, but there’s plenty out there!

This is on the level of Fahrt jokes and I’m here for it. :3

– Frost

Ah yes, “imagine” new frames.

There’s no imagining going on.

– Frost

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Not implementing it and going “well okay don’t use it in California then”, for one thing!

Email might actually be one of the easiest to move off of, thankfully!

There’s plenty of stuff out there, both free and paid. You can even use your own domain if you have an extra $15 or so a year. A lot of the paid options let you use your domain with them (and then if you ever need to change providers, you can keep your email address). And you can use both webmail and actual mail apps.

Youtube though… yeah, there aren’t really any good alternatives for that.

– Frost