A few people have mentioned the young and old women point, I don’t quite understand that tbh. They will and have menstruated and that clearly isn’t the point she’s making.
So tbh it just seems like a straw man to discredit her position. She’s clearly referencing the point that biological men don’t menstruate and never will and so shouldn’t be included in that group
Thank you for this conversation, I appreciate you not attacking me for trying to understand something that I’ve never experienced.
My middle son has struggled with his gender identity, still is, and I feel I need to understand.
Talking with you and others has helped me move my opinion forward.
Domi’s point was that after gaht there are negligible differences, that quote seems to indicate that isnt true. That there are some characteristics that can’t be changed, which would be the advantages that would make it an unfair playing field.
Could you clarify your point please?
That’s what you took away from my comment? Ok…
This entire situation reminds me of a scene in the movie all quiet on the western front (bare with me), at the end of the movie the German general basically says that his father’s had their war and now it’s his turn.
I wish I could believe that this is all Trump’s fault, he certainly is the locus of the current issues.
However I do feel that he isn’t alone, he’s supported, even placed in his position by many that seem to believe sentiments similar to that German general.
As long, of course, as they are left unharmed.
Thank you for this thoughtful reply. I’m sorry for your pain, personally I can’t imagine what societal rejection like that would be like or the damage it must do.
Sadly it seems that this is such a polarising issue that many argue for one person’s right over anothers, I don’t feel this is a path to a happy future for anyone affected by this. I sincerely hope that in the future this entire conversation is moot.
However it’s clear that some consensus needs to be found as, in a society that values every one, no one person should feel that they don’t have a level playing field.
What is a woman and what is a man? I wish I had some clever words to answer this. It’s part of why I wish to have conversations like this. Wouldn’t it be nice if we all had a clear way to parse this issue without hatred or suffering being involved.
I’ve been shown some studies that seem to indicate that after a period (two years was what I was shown) the differences appear to be negligible. If that’s the case then perhaps that is the way forward, once transition is complete (complete seems like the wrong word but I hope you understand my meaning) then there really shouldn’t be any reason to stop trans athletes competing, would you agree with this?
The connection in this instance seems clear, but it seems from her point of view that she’s arguing for the rights of cis women, does one person’s rights trump anothers?
Same to you friend!
With the amount the bridge crew are thrown around every time they encounter a spacial anomaly or whatever, I’m not sure levers and cracks are such a great idea.
I always wondered how the consoles know not to react to those moments when they are holding on to their consoles or being thrown about.
Sadly the prevailing third party is Reform which… Well, god help us all.
In the words of jean luc Picard;
“We think we’ve come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it’s all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again”
Ugh, if this is even remotely true then we’re in for an absolute shit show.
I was very lonely, a drug addict in complete denial.
Now Im engaged in narcotics anonymous, recently clean for the first time in 20 years.
I have a great partner, I’m step-dad (now just dad actually) to three little nightmares who I love very, very much. Getting them diagnosed (autistic and ADHD) was hell and I’m a lot greyer now that I was at 27.
Still lots of problems but that’s life, it’s one step at a time.
“That there is every indication that proper regulation can level the playing field”
This is what I was referencing in my reply.
The quote from that article points to initial differences that then fall off over time.
So it seems that in certain physical sports there may need to be some regulation (I’m not sure how that would work without being quite invasive for trans athletes though, any thoughts?) to ensure a level playing field for all women both cis and trans.
If I’ve caused some offence, which the aggressiveness of your reply seems to imply, I apologise, it was never my intent.
I wasn’t aware I was justifying anything, I’m just trying to form an opinion that I can hold moving forward.
It seems I’ve caused offence here and that was never my intent.
You raise an interesting point about the burden of proof, as you put it.
I’m not entirely certain about your point, well made as it is (I like the Bigfoot analogy), that the default position should be that there is no advantage when there’s lots of proof that, in certain activities, men have physical advantages over women.
I guess I just want to have a solid idea of when or if those advantages do in fact disappear to a point that it doesn’t matter any more.
But as you’ve pointed out I’m really not sure how that can be proved, which leaves the argument open for those who do want total bans or whatever to argue that they will always be there.
As to the point about infringement of rights etc, I certainly want anyone to be able to do and be celebrated in whatever they put their time and effort into. I live with three women, all of whom have stated that they feel their rights to compete on an even playing field could be negated by trans athletes with possible advantages from their previous gender (I’m sorry if my phrasing is offensive, I don’t mean it to be). How should this be answered? I’m not a woman and I’ve been slightly stumped tbh.
When it comes to sport by sport bans, the one I always have brought up to me is strength based sports, the skeletal differences, bone mass, differing physiological differences of muscle mass and such is often cited to me in these conversations.
Are these things that are completely negated through hormone therapy?
Thank you for engaging with me and not attacking me for asking, I really appreciate it.
I’m not sure it’s a semantic argument about the word women that’s the issue most people see here.
“Tall women are not banned from basketball, or track, despite having natural advantages. Micheal Phelps has clear physiological advantages in swimming. He is not banned from competing, he is celebrated.”
This is a great point and thanks for making it.
I agree that if, after some time period the physical differences between their original gender (I’m sorry if I’m not using the right words, I don’t mean offence if I am) and their new (again sorry if this is the wrong words) gender are negligible/non existent then yeah i agree everyone has certain things they are better at and that’s to be celebrated.
Thank you for engaging in this conversation and not attacking me for asking, I appreciate it.
Ah, thanks for the info
This is the first I’ve heard of this and i have to say I’m very interested.
I tried gits: arise but just didn’t find it enjoyable as a fan of the original movies and series, the animation didn’t do it for me. The animation in this teaser looks great, looking forward to hearing more about the story they’ll be telling. Is there any word on when the release is planned for? Will it be dubbed? I wonder who the voice actors will be?
Now just keep that up until your best days are behind you, scrabble to live some kind of life after retirement, then die!
The Scientology E-Meter (electropsychometer) is a religious artifact used in “auditing” to detect emotional reactions, spiritual distress, or “engrams” by measuring electrical resistance in the body.
First thing I thought of for some reason.