Implementing and enforcing a rule like that would punish the constituents of the riding. If the principle is that an MP should first and foremost do what’s best for his or her riding, then joining a party is far superior to sitting as an independent. It gives them a seat in caucus where decisions are made, input into policy positions, a chance to chair committees and potential cabinet or secretary roles. A party MP can walk into ministers offices and lobby internally for local projects. Independents don’t get these benefits. This ignores all the other benefits like campaign funding, etc. For a riding as influential as Markham/Unionville this is a substantial gain for the Liberals and they will no doubt be willing to support and listen to the constituents, and treat them quite favourably.

The Canadian body politic should have learned and should recognize that we vote for MPs, not specifically for parties. The parties are political associations, not constitutional actors. If you want the best results for your riding, you probably don’t want an independent. Sitting with a party maximizes impact, sitting as an independent maximizes moral autonomy.

Churchill was on the right track with Operation Unthinkable. And as much as a think Patton was a vainglorious blowhard, he was right about the Russians.

Should have done something in 45.

We shouldn’t dismiss or ignore the fact that floor crossing is an essential element of a healthy parliamentary democracy, as much as it’s maligned as often as it is praised. It’s based on the principle that MPs represent constituents, not just parties, that they have a free mandate vs imperative mandate (eg conscience votes, dissent, etc.) and that responsible government is based on confidence not party purity.

We may not live up to the ideals of the system, but we should at least try.

I’ve seen where the modern right wing takes us. It’s orange, it’s bloviating, it’s anti-intellectual, it’s corrupt to the core. The slovenly worship of the least deserving person on the planet, the self-owns, all so they can cause pain to people they don’t like. The destruction of the global order and denial of reality.

I prefer the liberal version. There just isn’t a ‘both sides’ to this.

I say they dump it and we’ll find out who the US really is.

You’re answering as if this current tension was not caused entirely by the US deciding to upend the global order and morph into a bully pirate nation that threatens allies chasing the new Monroe Doctrine.

If they choose the military option, rather than return to a sane global political and economic order - the insanity of which is entirely their fault - then we will have the measure of the nation, and they will surely usher in a rapid descent.

If Dems want to win, they need more than ‘not Republicans… but essentially the same’. They need to be active and they need to be seen. Loud and visibly against this regime and everything that enabled it. They need small dollar donations, ditch the corporate donors. They need to get themselves arrested protesting ICE or, ideally, actively resisting them.

Show some fucking spine.

I don’t drink soda drinks - which, unlike my questions, is irrelevant.

Unless you can assert a link between soda and child safety and well-being, or between soda and social conservative beliefs.

Edit to add we should leave this discussion, it’s dead at this point. I wish you the best of luck with your kids, sorry to hear you feel like you need to protect them to the point of sacrificing your privacy. I suggested there are other ways to do this that don’t affect your privacy but it seems your attitudes towards pornography are sufficiently negative that you won’t consider them.

I suggest you worry about your own kids and stop worrying about mine.

This is not going anywhere. I’ve made it clear that I don’t think of anyone as second class, I never diminished FN claims, and I think I was abundantly clear about what I was asserting, so any implying that you see is entirely of your own making.

You don’t trust me and you are obviously not willing to understand me. There’s nothing here to discuss. I gave my honest and forthright concerns and you see it as an attack.

I’ve got enough stresses in my life. I don’t need to create more online. Best of luck to you.

I have a great relationship with my kids that is built on communication and honesty. You don’t know anything about me, try not to be presumptuous about my character. Did I attack your character?

I asked about religiosity because I was curious about correlation, for the same reason I asked about spanking - whether you support it or practice it - which I noticed you didn’t answer, but frankly I’m still curious given your claims to protecting children at all costs.

Now I’m curious about another correlation: Which party do you generally support?

You’re acting as if there aren’t negative impacts to privacy. Adults should not have to give their identity over to web sites to enjoy content. Identification theft is a real thing.

Moreover, we already have solutions for this. Parents can block content at the router, and at this point every ISP allows you to set up security and content filters.

This is puritan, social conservative bullshit. It’s a thin edge of the wedge ultimately aimed at making pornography illegal.

I’m curious - are you religious?

I never said prioritizing. I said both expropriation if appropriate, but also compensation to those who lost land. I said both.

You clearly think of all of the people like me as second class citizens, at least with respect to homeland. But generally, you do not consider the people on the other side to be equals with their own value and their own pain. You have made it clear in the way you insult me and call me a clown, and misinterpret what I say. I have not insulted you once.

You seem to believe that this is a zero sum game and we must lose so you can win. I will not be able to understand that position. It will only lead to worse outcomes.

I’m sorry we can’t find a way to understand each other.

You didn’t read, or chose not to understand, what I wrote, likely because you’ve decided who I am and have responsed to your own construct.

For one I never said it wasn’t going to impact private property owners, nor did I say I diidn’t expect it to. What I am saying is if you see this as a zero sum game and refuse to acknowledge the injustice and pain that will be caused to other parties in this process, and you refuse to demand (or at the very least actively obstruct) government recompense to other injured parties then I would caution that you are not headed in a constructive direction.

You’re asking others to put aside their hate and move in a positive direction, but it doesn’t sound like you’re willing to do it. Thankfully I have hope that you are not representative.

I don’t care about history with respect to claims of homeland. This country is not more yours than mine. I don’t expect you to buy my cultural heritage or ancestry, and you can’t expect me to do it either. You don’t have a magical connection to the land - you took your first breath here and so did I. With respect to native land, this is ours, not just yours. There is a broken contract that needs to be reconciled, but this does not dictate who has more of a right to live here. If you can’t accept that then you are definitely going to gave a hard time, particularly since I’m broadly a supporter of reconciliation and you can’t even find a way to connect with me.

Edit I also said nothing about prioritizing one claim over another, or one compensation over another. I ask that you seriously reflect on what you’ve assumed about me.

Yes torrent and file-sharing in most cases violates copyright and is therefore illegal.

That fact won’t stop people, especially teens, from doing it. But it is a fact.

As with most things involving kids, open, healthy and honest communication is the best way. If you don’t have that then no constraints will really contain them, they will find a way around them, they will sneak around behind your back, and you will lose their trust.

Edit - I’m curious, do you believe it’s acceptable to spank children?

If they implement age verification on porn sites, what will be the other nonillegal ways to get porn without ID?

You can wrap it in as many words as you want. What you are saying is that I, and others like me, who were born here just like you were, and just like indigenous people were have less of a claim to this country as their homeland. This is the basis that seems to allow you to justify taking away the lives of other people.

The goal can only be harmonious coexistence, or it will be doomed to fail. If your project is built on the destruction of the lives of others, then it will not succeed.

I will say again - I first opened my eyes in this country. It is my home and I know no other. I and FN peoples are the same in this regard. I am not special nor do I hold an exalted position over you, and neither do you over me. In the end I’m putting demands on the government to recognize the true and full cost of reconciliation. I’m not putting demands on FN people. I’m not sure why you feel aggrieved that I’ve identified another group that is being impacted by this project.

You are asking for people to sacrifice to right the wrongs of the past. I want to do this, and others do to. But if you treat them as lesser and don’t try to understand the impacts on them, and you invoke academic concepts to justify why they should just ‘suck it up’, you’re going to be unsuccessful. Eventually you have to live with these people. And like I said before, they are no different than you, no less and no more.

I’m going to talk about private land exclusively.

What happened in the past is the government appropriated the land, it seems at the very least unethically, and then sold it to private interests. Somewhere along the line an innocent citizen bought the land thinking it was freehold or otherwise was the owner’s land to sell. It seems that now the land is being expropriated.

If it was never the government’s land to sell, and the courts have ruled in that way, then the government needs to compensate the people to whom the land was sold.

This cost needs to be considered by the government when they negotiate with FN groups. It is the true and total cost of reconciliation. If it is excluded then it will cause enormous dissatisfaction with the entire exercise of reconciliation, and it will eventually destroy the program. If the goal is harmonious coexistence, this will be unachievable if some of the victims - and they are also victims - are pushed out and ignored.

My other adjacent point is that a full cost and schedule for reconciliation must be made clear to everyone, so that all stakeholders can understand the objective and agree on the end goal.

Collecting and reselling any data is far easier done by a website than it would be by the corner LCBO.

But did you or did you not say the LCBO scans the ID and sells the data? I have to admit I’ve never seen that happen. What do they scan it with?

Anyway there is no way to argue that handing a guy your ID for a glance to buy cigs, weed or alcohol is less safe than uploading to some random porn site on the internet, even if they didn’t store your data (and I believe strongly that they would store your data for documenting the verification… either they would, or the third party that does the service)

This bill is garbage.

If it’s protecting teens, believe me they know how to sail the high seas.

This is puritan security state nonsense. It’s meant to appeal to the socons

Do you have proof that the LCBO or gas stations scan and resell your ID?

That sounds like the very definition of ‘big if true’.

Canada literally occupies unceded land right now.

And as I commented in another thread - I believe in response to your post - we can either collectively acknowledge the true and full cost of rectifying this situation, including fairly compensating those who are affected, or we can stick our heads in the sand and pretend that me and my kids, who were born in this country no differently than indigenous families and who know no other home, are expected to destroy our lives in service of the wrongs of the past.

If private property is affected, then the displaced people need to be fairly compensated. In general the impact on everyone needs to be considered in the calculus. I opened my eyes for the first time in this country, just like everyone else born here did, regardless of what atrocious actions were committed by those in the past. I have nowhere to go, this is my home as much as it is anyone else’s.

If we don’t acknowledge these facts willingly and openly i fear we will be forced to acknowledge them unwillingly.