This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.
“It’s cool guys, this swastika on my chest is totally just a hindu symbol.”
“I’m just a history buff, even though I have literally shown zero indication that I give a shit about history in any other context”
There is no point in giving context here. The context is a lie. It’s literally the definition of a dog whistle.
Edit -
For the record, so nobody misses the point in all this back and forth - yes, someone might wear a jerusalem cross and not be a fascist.
But that’s not what’s happening here, is it? He’s a fascist. He wrote a book called American Crusade in which he called for ripping the arms off his enemies and feeding them to hogs.
Crusade imagery - to him - is violent. Even if it isn’t a symbol of hate to you, it is a symbol of hate to him.
The symbol has a real history but has also been hijacked by fascists. What evidence do I have for this? Plenty, down below! But what more do you need? He’s Exhibit A.
He has the preamble to the declaration of independence on his other arm lmao. I agree the guy’s most likely a neo Nazi but boy are your arguments dumb.
Lol oh yes, just like diehard 2A advocates. Anyone who references 3 words of the constitution or declaration is clearly a history buff.
Can’t be a nationalist with a 3rd-grade understanding of history. As we all know, only historians get a tattoo of “We the People” on their arm.
I didn’t say it made him a history buff. I said your argument was dumb. You show up with that argument against anyone who doesn’t already agree with you and you’re going to get reamed.
I’m not defending him. I’m criticizing you.
Oh lol. Thanks, I guess. I don’t see it as a very good counter argument though. I don’t understand why you think the idea would be more powerful from someone who disagrees… because I still don’t see how “We The People” indicates he has any interest in history.
I don’t think anyone who disagrees - who thinks shallow nationalism equates to historical investment - is ready for a productive conversation anyway.
So I guess I’m criticizing you too.
You don’t know what army patches and slogans are, but you think it’s a lie lol wow
Lol right, I forgot that once it becomes consumer merch it’s no longer fascism. Hence the “fuckup 2028” hat.
The history is real. The lie is that it’s about the history at all. It’s about the hatred. Same as it always is with these people. For comparison, see every last confederate flag in the United States.
Since none of you actually bother to learn anything here’s your spoon feeding session:
The Jerusalem Cross is a Christian symbol, also known as the Crusader’s Cross, consisting of a large central cross (a cross potent) surrounded by four smaller Greek crosses. It is often interpreted as representing the four Evangelists and the spread of the gospel, or the five wounds of Christ. The cross is closely associated with the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre. Here’s a more detailed look: Symbolism: Four Evangelists: . The four smaller Greek crosses are often associated with the four Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Spread of the Gospel: . The arrangement of the crosses can symbolize the spread of the gospel to the four corners of the earth. Five Wounds of Christ: . Some interpretations suggest the five crosses represent the five wounds of Jesus on the cross. Jerusalem: . The Jerusalem Cross is strongly linked to Jerusalem, particularly the Latin Patriarchate and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, which are dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. History: Crusades: The Jerusalem Cross gained prominence during the Crusades, particularly with the founding of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Latin Patriarchate: It was adopted as the chief banner of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and is now the emblem of the Latin Patriarchate. Order of the Holy Sepulchre: The cross is the official emblem of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, a Catholic order dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. Modern Usage: The Jerusalem Cross continues to be used by various Christian organizations and is also found on the national flag of Georgia and some other Christian contexts. In essence, the Jerusalem Cross is a rich symbol of faith, the Gospel, and the Holy Land, with historical ties to the Crusades and ongoing relevance within various Christian communities…
Oh sick! I too can put together a technically correct wall of text justifying a symbol ruined by fascism that has no initial fascist roots:
The Hindu swastika, known in Sanskrit as svastika (स्वस्तिक), is an ancient and sacred symbol that predates many modern religions and is deeply woven into the spiritual and cultural fabric of Hinduism. Etymologically, svastika is derived from the root “su” (meaning “good” or “well”) and “asti” (“to be”), together forming a word that can be interpreted as “that which is associated with well-being” or simply “auspicious.” The swastika has been used in the Indian subcontinent for over 5,000 years, with archaeological examples appearing as early as the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 BCE), long before its appropriation in modern history.
In Hinduism, the swastika is a symbol of auspiciousness, prosperity, and good fortune. It represents the eternal nature of Brahman, the ultimate reality or universal soul in Hindu thought, and the cyclical nature of life, death, and rebirth (samsara). The symbol is deeply connected to cosmic order (ṛta) and balance. It is often drawn during rituals, festivals, and on temple entrances, doorways, and sacred objects to invoke divine blessings and protect against negative influences. It is also a common sight in Hindu weddings, religious ceremonies, and housewarmings, where it sanctifies the space and denotes sacred intent.
Understanding the Hindu swastika requires acknowledging it as one of the world’s oldest sacred symbols, one that has long represented cosmic harmony, divine presence, and the pursuit of spiritual well-being. To reduce it solely to its modern misappropriation is to obscure millennia of profound spiritual meaning, making it essential to distinguish and respect its original, deeply rooted cultural context.
Now let’s all go tattoo swastikas on our bodies; you go first!
You are comparing something that is widely prevalent in Nazism (a swastika, FAMOUS symbolism) to something that most people couldn’t identify with a gun to their head. Not the same context.
Weird, seems to me most people in this thread saw it and said “oh hey, isn’t that a Nazi symbol?” so I’ll have to agree to disagree on that one, coach.
Not to mention, the context here is also not being plastered on someone known for their devout Christianity or obsession with history or historic symbology.
Yet no one can explain or provide a shred of evidence supporting that.
I think, with how quickly you responded, you may have missed the addendum I edited into my comment shortly after posting.
It unfairly makes your comment look like you completely ignored it, so felt I should bring your attention to it. My b.
Try googling those symbols and see how much actual nazi\neonazi shit you find… because it isn’t much. Opinions and facts are not the same.
Ah, so we are ignoring that bit about context. In that case:
Wikipedia source
Damn. You’re still defending the neo nazis?
Let it go already.
You’re just defending nazis
you know if you actually read the entire Wikipedia article that he had linked earlier you would see that like 99.5% of that article is about the Christian history of the symbol versus a paragraph that vaguely references some modern white nationalist usage and even the Anti-Defamation League doesn’t recognize it as a symbol of hate.
You guys jump to conclusions way too quickly.
Aw, cute wall of text. Thanks for providing nothing of value. Now do the swastika.
I know the context. It’s still a lie. People with that cross on their chest don’t give a shit about its actual history. Dog whistles involve barely plausible deniability, like the distant origins of nazi symbols.
Enjoy defending fascists though.
None of those tats are neo-nazi affiliated lmao
If you think that the army patch and the slogan “Ne desit virtus” are Nazi affiliated, you’re an idiot.
“We the People”? It’s in the preamble in the constitution.
And because he has Christian symbols, that makes him a fascist Nazi?
Wow. And you think maga is a cult.
Aw, cute. Pretending that he can hide behind patriotism.
It’s all nationalism. All of it. This fucker, his boss, and every single member of this administration are wiping their asses with the constitution, so don’t give us this bullshit.
You know which tattoos I’m talking about. You don’t get to say “oh, what? The "patriot” tattoos? Let me list them out! The “christian” tattoos? Let’s gloss over those!"
He doesn’t have a proper cross or a goddamn christian bone in his body. He wears the Jerusalem cross because he loves the crusades because he wants brutal genocidal war with muslims. He literally wrote a book calling for the “American Crusade”. That hasn’t been fucking Christian since the church collected tithes, crowned kings, and executed scientists.
He is a fascist, and he proudly wears symbols of hatred and violence on his skin.
Edit - btw, pay attention to what people respond to! Hellsfire chooses not to acknowledge anything about Hegseth writing a fucking book called the American Crusade. Just more “context”. There’s always more “context”
“It’s called the Jerusalem cross. It’s a historic Christian symbol. In fact, interestingly recently I attended briefly the memorial ceremony of former President Jimmy Carter, on the floor of our national cathedral, on the front page of his program was the very same Jerusalem Cross. It is a Christian religious symbol,” Hegseth said.
Yea, definitely a fascist Nazi. This is from an interview posted on PBS.org
Yes, definitely a fascist. Once more for everyone in the back! Yes, it’s a real symbol from christian history! Sure, it’s inlaid on the floor of a church!
No, Hegseth doesn’t wear it because of his faith!
He wears it because he wants brutal genocidal war against muslims… you know, like an “American Crusade”. He is a fascist who proudly wears these symbols of hatred and violence on his skin.
What a coincidence! This was also from an interview posted on PBS.org.
I’m not defending fascism, I’m talking about symbolism and how it’s perverted and misconstrued. How about you supply evidence for YOUR argument instead of just pointing fingers and calling people names like a child?
Oh dear, I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. Exactly what names did I call you?
Fascist? I didn’t call you that. I called him that. And he is, regardless of the cross on his chest. I know he is, on account of the everything.
You’re just the one defending him, by pretending that there’s a defensible reason for him to have a neo-nazi dog whistle on his chest. There isn’t. Just like there is no defensible reason for Musk to do two nazi salutes on stage.
They’re fascists blatantly doing fascist things, and pretending otherwise is defending fascism.
Just because a group of degenerates (neo-nazi’s) want to hijack a symbol, does not mean they get to do so.
That’s true. But when a neo-nazi fascist puts one on his chest, we don’t have any reason to pretend it’s anything but a dog whistle. He’s the one doing the hijacking.
I’m not defending him at all. I’m talking about a symbol that people don’t seem to know anything about other than some vague associate with nazism that no one can seem to actually provide evidence for.
Here, before the evidence and scholars, let’s play a quick game. Let’s give the good faith. Let’s say he’s just super enthusiastic about the crusades.
Why? Why is a modern day conservative so obsessed with a brutal, genocidal war between christians and muslims? Is it the aesthetic? Is it the armchair analysis? Or is it because he’s a fucking fascist who loves the idea of a primitive war of brutality against muslims?
> He then writes: “We are just fighting with one hand behind our back – and the enemy knows it … If our warriors are forced to follow rules arbitrarily and asked to sacrifice more lives so that international tribunals feel better about themselves, aren’t we just better off winning our wars according to our own rules?!”
> “It is this bloody, militant intent that comes first when seeking to understand its current usage as a symbol for those pledging their allegiances in contemporary politics — and this is why it has been appropriated by the so-called ‘alt right,’” Hill said.
> White supremacists using Crusaders’ crosses and other medieval imagery on their homemade shields say the time period is an ideal of a white Europe. But medieval scholars say the white supremacists are wrong and the scholars are fighting back.