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I “cheaped out” with 32 and regretted it, working with huge files in RAM.
getting into 3d art is a regret lowkey, I was fine with my specs before they felt op even
I was into vr too, I was like damn this laptops a beast now im constantly struggling
128 here and I capped it the other day doing an in-memory parsing, lol
16 here, because 🍎
took me a few days but I fully switched to firefox. my computer finally runs the way it should.
Ecosia is another option but it is also Chromium based
My washing machine uses Firefox as well
i’m an angry non orgasmic bottom
Linux and FreeBSD systems? Happy and snappy.
Work Windows system filled with crap corp security software? Open electron apps and wait for them to load.
Personal Windows system? Master of Orion, the remake.
I do wonder how many people only hate windows because their IT installed crapware that takes half the CPU scanning every file move.
I watched a fascinating rust video where this guy was talking about all of the things different OSs do differently just in the rust up install process. And how one of them (I assume windows but don’t recall) was way worse but it was fixed by changing how they did IO. I don’t work at that lower level so it’s not a thing for me, but it was interesting. (I tried to find but failed)
The file system Windows uses (NTFS) has a lot of neat features, but ends up being astronomically slow in unexpected ways for some file operations as a result.
I remember playing around with NTFS streams. They’re usually used to store random metadata about a file. The size of which doesn’t appear in the normal file size calculation/display in Windows. So you can have this 2kb text file that has an alternate stream with a zip file of the entire discography of a band stuffed into it. Longest file transfer of 2kb ever. Another gotcha, the second you copy that file to a file system that doesn’t support the alternate streams they just vanish. So all the sudden that long file transfer is super quick.
what do you need 32gb for in a linux box?
Makes your penis bigger
Chrome. Or Firefox. They don’t use less ram on Linux. I can easily get Firefox to 10G.
ZFS and disk cache.
I love it for disk cache as I can then get slow drives. After the prefetch during boot (once every few months), things are just smooth.
either using it to serve a small network or the old video games
32gb of ram
yes, that was the amount I was responding to
Play some horribly unoptimized games, like the Oblivion Remaster that recommends having 32gb. Which is fucking insane.
Yeah, they defo need to work on optimization. It’s an unreasonably heavy game both on cpu and gpu, runs worse than cyberpunk rt overdrive while looking worse…
Oblivion needs about stable 10GB with max settings on my System.
I wonder if they recommend 32 because 16gb is the minimum for maxed settings vanilla but they know everyone will have 2000 mods installed eventually and they are accounting for that. 🤔
The remake?
I’d be in trouble, since between ZFS and my various VMs, my system idles at ~170 GB RAM used. With only 32 I’d have to shut basically everything down.
My previous system had 64 GB, and while it wasn’t great, I got by. Then one of the motherboard slots died and dropped me to 48 GB, which seriously hurt. That’s when I decided to rebuild and went to 256.
Oh yay, lemmy is finally popular enough to have a nobody asked e-peen guy!
NERD!
seriously, nice rig phat stats
Real question. Doesn’t the computer actually slow down when you have that much memory? Doesn’t the CPU need to seek into a bigger vast vs a smaller memory set?
Or is this an old school way of thinking?
That’s a complicated question. Bigger memory can split it between more banks, which can mean more precharge penalties if the memory you need to access is spread out between them.
But big memory systems generally use workstation or server processors, which means more memory channels, which means the system can access multiple regions of memory simultaneously. Mini-PCs and laptops generally only have one memory controller, higher end laptops and desktops usually have two, workstations often have 4, and big servers can have 8+. That’s huge for parallel workflows and virtualization.
No that’s not how it works. Handling a larger address space (e.g., 32-bit vs 64-bit) maybe could affect speed between same sized modules on a very old CPU but I’m not sure that’s even the case by any noticeable margin.
The RA in RAM stands for random access; there is no seeking necessary.
Technically at a very low level size probably affects speed, but not to any degree you’d notice. RAM speed is actually positively correlated with size, but that’s more because newer memory modules are both generally both bigger and faster.
The RA in RAM stands for random access; there is no seeking necessary.
Well there is, CPUs need to map virtual addresses to physical ones. And the more RAM you have the more management of that memory you need to do (e.g. modern Intel and AMD CPUs have 5 levels of indirection between a virtual and physical address)
But it also caches those address mappings, as long as your TLB is happy, you’re happy. An alternative is to use larger page sizes (A page being the smallest amount of RAM you can address), the larger the page the less you need recurse into the page tables to actually find said page, but you also can end up wasting RAM if you’re not careful.
You clearly know more than me, but wouldn’t everything from 4GB to 1TB have the same number of walks? And one more walk gets you up to 256TB?
Ditch Google trash. Go for alternatives. E.g., Firefox instead of Chrome.
Firefox isn’t going to solve the issue of overly bloated websites.
can help
May as well chop the “s” off “alternatives”
“Two Firefox tabs at the same time, man”
Are you sure that Firefox is a good alternative, given all the things they’ve been doing lately? And why not fork, by the way?
Also, Google is funding Mozilla, so… yeah.
Every other browser uses chrome and just puts their stuff on top. So you either use actual Google chrome, a rebrand (I know it’s not exactly that nor that simple), or you use Firefox.
theres always librewolf
Hence the joke 🤣
Is it Chrome or is it the web page
Maybe it’s Maybelline
Well, I don’t think I need that much RAM, but it’s a funny joke, modern browsers consume an insane amount of RAM.
not all of them, but def most. in my experience Firefox, tor, and librewolf have been pretty good in that regard
That’s the same engine for all three (FF) so should get fairly similar results
My mid-range gaming PC from 2019 had 16gb, and I was looking at some new pre-builts and saw many still only have 16. Is there just not much need for more, or what? It’s cheap - I might double what I’ve got in DDR4 for $50.
If you’re doing a new PC then I’d aim for 32GB.
16GB is enough, yes, but for how much longer? It’s been the norm for awhile now, which means that soon it won’t be enough.
sort of what I was thinking. I only hit the limit when I have way too many tabs open while playing an intensive game, but it’s a cheap upgrade that might keep me in this PC for a few more years.
I have 32gb and I always suggest others to get that much as a baseline theses days. I rarely ever use anywhere close to the full 32gb, but I am often times at or near 16gb in use. The main benefit of having 32gb is in my case I’ll basically never be hitting the pagefile, but if you only had 16gb you’ll probably rarely max out on ram usage, but you’ll probably be hitting the pagefile more often.
With the proliferation of fast SSDs and NVME drives hitting the pagefile is considerably less impactful than it use to be with spinning disks, but it’s still slower than RAM.
I upgraded from 16 to 64 a few months ago, and kinda regret not going for 96 instead. Hoping these 64 last around a decade like the 16GB did previously
For gaming it is unlikely you will need more than 16, at least not any time soon.
Depends on the game and what you’re doing with it. Cities: Skylines with a bunch of mods really struggles without a load of RAM. Playing Vintage Story recently, I installed a bunch of mods. Had to uninstall about half to come in under 32GB utilization.
I have a VR headset. Going from 16GB to 64GB was a huge difference in most games
I’ve just added 64GB to the 16 that were fitted, because beam.ng would crash loading Utah with mods. This was less time consuming than finding the probably misbehaving mod or other root cause. Mainboard is from an old Thinkstation so that RDIMMs only set me back 40EUR. Nice experience.
Mahalo, friend.
16GB is perfectly enough currently and I expect it to stay so for the next 5+ years.
False.
16gb is maybe enough for a phone these days.
32gb is the bare minimum baseline, and if you want to game AND use a browser you should be seriously moving to 64gb
And if you’re a power user of ANY kind, go straight to 128.
The only people who need 128 or more do not need to ask.
So, if you only browse the web with a few other programs, and you have less than 20 tabs in a browser, 32gb.
If you go over 20 tabs and want to game at the same time, just go to 64gb.
I would say 16 GB is the bare minimum. Oblivion for example needs about 10 GB, If you have discord, your Browser, and 1-2 other programs running in the background simultaneously, you will easily reach your limit.
And that’s probably still relying HEAVILY on a pagefile.
Not really. 16 gigs is like the base amount of VRAM on the new 5xxx series nvidia GPU’s, and you probably want more RAM than VRAM in your rig…
With 16 GB ram I can perfectly virtualize W11 giving 8 GB ram to the guest (on a Linux host), so yes, for normal use 16 GB is perfectly fine.
Cool, danke.
I’m gonna download more RAM right meow! https://downloadmoreram.com/
Upgrade to 64GB cause 32 is not enough for my adhd
Then upgrade from 64gb to 128gb because it’s still not enough for my adhd
I’ve actually been considering using 128gb recently. I’m only considering this as I’m thinking about turning a server of mine into my primary desktop and it has 128gb in it already because I was using a RAM disk to generate large files in memory. I’m now done with that project and it feels silly having this powerful PC sitting here doing nothing.
A single vote cannot convey my interest in this idea.
I’d read Lemmy posts about what I’d do if I had 32GM of RAM.
I went with 64GB on my most recent build… partially because it will eventually be retired to be a server, partially because last time i did a new build with brand new RAM, RAM prices skyrocketed (tsunami hit Taiwan IIRC, but still) immediately afterwards
Tbh I can already do that with 8gb
Yeah but try 3 mfer
32GB of RAM with zram configured aggressively and I still get close at times to running out of ram. 2 more years and I’ll probably need to upgrade to 128GB
Remember that free RAM is wasted RAM that you already paid for. As a result, modern browsers will behave differently in a RAM-rich vs. RAM-lean environment. If there’s wasted space lying around the browser will just hold on to everything on the off chance that it’s needed again, but will more aggressively purge things if you start running out of RAM.
Keep in mind that when I say “the browser” I also mean Spotify and Discord because those are Electron apps which means they are actually just Chrome tabs in a trench coat.
Why do you need so much RAM, for browsing, gaming, or is it your operating system that uses so much?
Browsing and gaming. Discord and Spotify are always open and I’ve noticed almost every update they use another 30-40MB. Not much but discord literally went from using 150ish MB to 400-500MB on first start up. After a couple hours of being open it’ll use up to 2GB of RAM. Software is getting worse and worse with memory management and games are getting ridiculous too
Always wonder. I bet he got to double lots of women just from that quote alone.
