I have Zero brand loyalty. Best ingredients for the lowest price gets the sale.
Keep in mind that most off-brand products are literally the same brand name product in a different container.
In Canada we have a few off brand labels like No Name and Compliments. Take ketchup for example. The off-brand ketchup is literally the same brand name Heinz or French’s it’s sitting beside, but for $1.50 cheaper. That’s because the off brand companies like Wal Mart and Loblaws pay for production cycle time at the main plants. So a run of Heinz ketchup will actually be a run of No Name ketchup. Heinz gets more money for the use of production time than they would selling that line of their own brand ketchup.
If you’re brand loyal to something, you’re just willing to pay more for a name, not the thing you want. Sour cream, mayo, toothpaste, even soap is all the exact same as the brand name stuff you’re buying.
Most of the time you can tell where it came from by the production stamp. All companies have their own number so the no name ketchup would have the same product number stamp as the brand name one because it came from the same facility.
The recipe is different for the store brand. I did this stuff in the dairy industry for a while. Its not production cycles in dairy, it’s vats. So store brand orders a few vats of product, with way lay less actual milk or doesnt specify as high a minimum quality milk products. More dyes and filler during finishing and no aging. All store brands are essentially flavored and colored mozzarella. They are lower quality.
I still buy them though. Mozzarella is good enough for most recipes.
For other products it’s similar. Lower tolerances on inputs and outputs to reduce cost. Still probably 80% as good as name brand.
I’ve worked in a few of these production lines and they’re literally just changing the packaging at the end of production. The packages could be different enough to change taste or texture but the product itself is identical.
Most store brands come from the same manufacturers as brand name products, they just change the packaging.
I have loyalty to higher prices if they treat their employees right. I’m willing to shell out an extra dollar if it means the employees aren’t getting paid shit an hour
Sure, but most of the time in this capitalist hellscape your options are shit and slightly different colored shit.
Slightly different colored is a pretty big statement — you can get the same service from a company that pays the workers $45 an hour or one that pays them $22… That’s a life vs working under the thumb of a company. It’s a very large difference between the good and the bad. Capitalism is everything trending towards shit inevitably, but that does not mean that every individual business is shit. It just means someday they will become shit.
My only loyalty is to brands that have higher quality than the competitors. And that only last as long as they are maintaining their quality or another brand is increasing their quality.
What about Uncle Sam cereal? It’s gone now, bought by a big cereal company and nearly immediately shut down, but there was nothing as fibrous and un-sugared on the American cereal market as that. Oh, sigh, Uncle Sam.
I mean, I wouldn’t care what brand it was if there were anything comparable. But given that it was the only one like it, I was extremely loyal.
“abandon their favorite brands” is a hell of a way to rephrase “can’t afford to continue eating what they have been previously”. Glad to see it reframed in a way that makes the companies seem like victims.
Thats like when we see headlines like “gen z are destroying the alcohol industry”
In a world where every product sucks due to years of cost cutting and shrinkflation, brands mean very little.
In foods especially, they have substituted corn syrup for sugar, steroid+antibiotic pumped milk and meat for “real” meat (typical market chicken is a travesty these past years), GMO crops sprayed with extreme weed killers and pesticides for simple sun and water grown food. They like to say our food bills are going down in real dollars, but they’re not, not if you buy organic GMO free - which is what most food used to be not so long ago.
steroid+antibiotic pumped milk and meat for “real” meat
There’s a very specific reason Canada doesn’t allow your dairy and meat products into Canada. I work for DFNS and our bare minimum requirements are vastly more strict than your federal requirements.
The “mouth feel” texture of chicken makes me sick these days - it’s like the animal was emaciated and bloated when slaughtered, which in many ways they were.
corn syrup
The only reason they do this is because in the US, corn subsidies make it cheaper. HFCS is essentially exactly the same as sugar to the body. It’s not any more or less unhealthy.
GMO
Another overblown fear. Humans have been modifying organisms for millennia. GMO is not inherently harmful. The main harm comes when companies try and make it so farmers have to purchase seed from them for every crap. That’s not harmful to eat. That’s harmful for our food supply.
extreme weed killers and pesticides
These all easily wash off, and you need to be washing your fruit and veg because they are dirty.
It’s trivial to research this for yourself. Stop listening to idiots on youtube trying to sell you supplements and lying to you about these things.
There are problems and concerns, but these are not them.
People scared of genetically modified foods need to take a good look at vegetable and fruits. You think bananas and watermelons always looked like that? Hell, I’d say most have something going on to make them grow bigger and faster…
My main objection to GMO are the ones that enable them to bathe our food crops in Roundup and similar.
Selective breeding is one thing, chemical engieering to make your food resistant to poision that kills all other plants? Sounds like something I’d rather not participate in the beta testing of, thanks.
Corn is probably the most fundamental subject example. Heh.
But yes, you are spot on of course
Mexican vs US corn is a very clear example of natural farming vs industrial. I’d prefer to pay triple for corn that has diversity in its nutritional elements instead of a monocrop with maximum calories for minimum price.
These all easily wash off, and you need to be washing your fruit and veg because they are dirty.
Keep telling yourself they wash off and have no effects. Then call me from the oncology ward.
How about you go actually look up studies? I just did and confirmed:
- Washing fruit/veg removes most of the residue that’s there
- The amounts typically left do not significantly increase your cancer risk
Do whatever the hell you want, but don’t pretend the science is behind you when it is not. Take your smug misinformation somewhere else.
Framing this as a customer loss is funny. Switching brands means it’s the brands that are losing, geniuses.
Pretty mind blowing to think maybe people don’t need 200 variations of the same sugary grains.
This was the big eye opener when we ditched our near-monopoly chain grocery for a smaller competitor. Smaller stores, but they had more employees stocking the shelves and more cashiers so you waited less to get out. And in the jelly aisle they had 4 flavors instead of 84. Six kinds of cereals plus six more granolas to choose from, not an endless aisle of $8 wafer thin boxes of sugar coated puffed grains with familiar cartoon characters on the front. Five flavors of ice-cream, not 205. 20 types of yogurt, not 386. It took a little while to get used to the idea that I couldn’t get my preferred brand and size of grape jelly, but after I tried their one option - organic and half the price per ounce of the chain competitors - I decided: grape jelly is grape jelly, this one is fine.
P.S. - I feared I may have been exaggerating, but the above numbers are accurate - I overestimated a little on jelly at first, but pretty much nailed the ice-cream and yogurt first try.
You mean the brands that are owned by like 5 companies?
Fuck em.
Don’t the same brands also make the store (private label) brands?
And I’d rather spend less on the off brand products that literally come from the same production line as the on brand products.
“WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE BRANDS!!!”
and somehow it’s all the Millennial’s fault - Damn (40 year old) kids!
In the 70s it felt like brands actually meant something. Since the 90s, they haven’t. Brands have milked their loyal followers for every last penny of profit while cheapening their products as much as they possibly can. Brands have become an anti-pattern for me, if a particular brand is “commanding a premium” that’s a sign to me to A) dig DEEP on pre-purchase quality information and if that’s hard to come by (which it usually is) B) walk away from the recognized brand name - assume it to be of inferior quality to go with its higher price.
I shopped in the same grocery store chain my grandparents and parents shopped in my whole life since the 1960s until about 8-10 years ago. At that point they started milking their brand loyalists and literally jacked our monthly food bill 2x, +100%, and that’s not industry wide inflation, that’s how much they inflated relative to the competition. We went from spending 90% of our food, soaps, pharmacy/drug store purchases there down to less than 5% in the first year after we quit them, and since then they now get less than 1% of our budget, only catching our purchases when they’re the only store open or other cases of extreme convenience purchasing. During the pandemic, we had instantcart deliver groceries from a competitor and a $120 delivered order, including $10 tip and delivery fees, were still far less expensive than the same products from the “leading” chain.
Surely, more capitalism will fix this.
“We’re losing money. People aren’t buying our products anymore! What should we do?”
Shrink the size of the product and increase the cost. That will clearly be the solution!
Another option is to buy the alternative product and cancel it.
If only we got rid of the entire government and form an Ancapistan paradise here in America, then companies will lower their prices as the invisible hand just happens to do its thing. /j
- Brands increase prices
- People stop buying brands
- Brands cry foul
- Oh no! Anyway…
The trick, William Potter, is to bleed the people just enough to satiate your parasitism without exsanguinating them, eh?
Gee, we’ve never seen that trick before.
Not only is the shit expensive, but may as well eat a bowl of ice cream with as much sugar as a lot of cereal has. Having cereal for breakfast daily is akin to using soda for hydration. It sure tastes good, but I’ve cut down on my cereal intake for multiple reasons.
Having cereal for breakfast daily is akin to using soda for hydration.
Well, I was born in the 1960s and honey coated chocolate sugar bombs were already the cereal of choice among my kindergarten classmantes - and soda for hydration was pretty standard then too.
What people think is unhealthy or healthy changes once they start actually looking into it.
Soda? Clearly unhealthy. Juice? Milk? Clearly healthy.
Well, except that excessive carbs are a problem, and while milk and juice may have some nutrition (that you can also easily get from other sources), they have as much sugar as soda.
As a diabetic, I try not to drink calories. Milk and juice are slightly worse than regular soda. And I will occasionally have some of any of those. But occasionally, and a small amount, not a large amount.
Juice? Milk? Clearly healthy.
Juice better than soda? Easily, I’d say. Juice healthy? Everything in moderation. I drink far too much orange juice, and my children objected to the “high pulp” varieties I used to buy so now I don’t get much fiber from it either. But, it’s clearly healthier than Coca Cola - calorie for calorie.
Milk is a whole other can of worms…
So true, and worse, most cereal is just carbs to begin with!
Basically your breakfast is sugar on sugars.
And it doesn’t take too much to correct the problem since about half of the calories (for a non-diabetic at least) should come from carbs. So get some protein and fat in there to balance, keep the total carbs in check, and enjoy some cereal if you want - as “part” of a balanced breakfast. heh.
Well, for me, I don’t like breakfast foods for breakfast. I do sometimes at night, but I prefer a burger at breakfast to any breakfast items.
Your digestive system is the same all day. Eat what you like, try to make it more balanced as you can. :)
I think there was a really interesting part right at the bottom that was briefly mentioned. A lot of people are using A.I. to shop now. Probably not the Lemmy demographic. But people are willing to trust the A.I. when it gives them a recommendation, even if it’s for a new brand they’ve never heard of before. This is an unprecedented level of marketing if the numbers in the article are correct. No advertising can compete with “artificial word of mouth” directly changing a customer’s opinion.
My prediction is companies will notice this, fast, and there will be incentives for A.I. to become like a new advertising platform. How much do you think Grok can charge to recommend one product over the other if it can have such a high (near 40%) lead conversion?
404 media has an interesting podcast episode on “AEO” (AI SEO) and how it can be manipulated. Apple link
So it’s like SEO then. It’s always been a scammers game. Blast sites with bot comments about your site, write slop articles that merge things that have nothing to do with what they are named for the sake of SEO, add tags, and specific words through the page. This is just an extension of the scum.
SEO started the day after the first search engine, with sysops begging other sysops to list their boards on the front page of links. It has evolved massively since then, but manipulation of AI results is just another form of SEO, and the AI results we have today are already heavily influenced by the SEOed content they were trained on and that they RAG from.
In fairness, the difference between surfacing helpful information vs. manipulating misinformation is the desire of the users for that information. If it turns out to be something they really wanted, it’s a Good Thing™. If it turns out to be not something they really wanted, it’s a Bad Thing™.
One of the reasons dealing with manipulation is so difficult.
Well, the cynical take is: if the information is being published to influence readers’ / viewers’ / listeners’ opinions in order to enrich the publishers… then that information is much more likely to be mis-information, or distorted information as opposed to unbiased truth (whatever that is…)
I worked for a struggling little video processing company for a short while around 2012. On the floor underneath us was a big and growing company with twice our square footage and three times our headcount - their whole business: internet reputation polishing. Want to make your company, or yourself, or your dog more appealing to the general public via the internet? These manipulators would, for a fee, put good stuff about whatever you wanted as many places as possible. They would endeavor to remove or just overwhelm information that created negative impressions. Erase things you published and now regret, including copies of those things spread far and wide.
I’ve seen celebrity blogs (Scott Adams, among others) which shared things they were going through, then a couple of years later decide that they don’t want that information “out there” anymore and it disappears from everywhere, including the internet archive and similar supposed long term repositories of “what the web used to say.” Many stories about embarassing things that police officers did, like the Miami Dade cops who stopped off at Dunkin Donuts - in the County Police Helicopter - on their way back to base. That story lasted on the internet for about 10 years before it disappeared. Used to be simple to find with any search engine, now it’s no longer acknowledged as ever having happened. We lived across the street from the owner/operators of the Dunkin location it happened at, they’re the ones who originally told me about it, it was covered in multiple newspapers and copied into all kinds of personal blogs… now: gone.
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I stopped buying products that went from chocolate to chocoly
I stopped buying Campbell’s or any of its subsidiary brands a few years ago when they both raised prices and reduced the size of the can.
They were underhanded about it too because they made the cans slightly taller so it wasn’t obvious that they had less volume.
Shrinkflators can go F themselves. That shrunken package with the same, or often higher, price is a major incentive for me to buy their competitors’ products instead.
Yeah but like 99% of them do it now. There’s often no alternative that isn’t also shrinkflated
Some things like Orange Juice have gone there for reasons beyond greed - though greed is still a major component.
Many things that practice shrinkflation are entirely optional in your diet…
Facts.
I quit drinking soda this month because the off-brand soda I like inexplicably stop being sold by every store in the area, probably due to the Iran War, and RC Cola, Pepsi, and Coke all cost the same gouged prices. I could just take the price gouging and buy them anyway, but I’d rather quit consuming it out of spite.
That it’s healthier is just a side bonus.
That’s actually great news. Sugar is a hell of a drug and quitting soda is a big step in less sugar consumption. I enjoy water and hot tea usually at work, but my co-workers love soda. One of them got a kidney stone and the doctor told her it’s because you were drinking 5 cans of soda a day.
Hell yeah. :)
I think the other bad part is even the no name brands have ramped up prices as well… for a bit it was pretty good, but I feel like a lot of them just ended up pricing themselves the same as they did before, which is like .50 cents less or maybe a $1 less than the main brand. At that point i say its not even worth it and either decide on just buying the name brand cause the savings is dumb or just not buy it again until they lower the price or it goes on a good sale.
I don’t want to create a run on the fresh mint sections of the groceries, but you might try buying a package of mint (generally about $1.65 around here) rinsing it off and putting it (the mint, not the package) in a pitcher of water in the fridge. Zero sugar, fresh flavor, and I generally can refill a 1/2 gallon pitcher of water 6-10 times per package of mint. Toward “end of life” the mint will start to oxidize and make mint tea instead of mint water - slightly different but still nice IMO flavor, the brown coloring doesn’t mean it’s bad (unless it gets CocaCola dark, mine never has gone that far…)
It’s possible to go one step further and to just grow the mint yourself, mint is probably one of the easiest plants to grow.
But please just grow it in a pot and with some distance to other soil in the bottom because otherwise you will have mint everywhere and it will be very hard to remove, it will become a bad weed.
I have planted it two years ago and sometimes if I feel like it I water it and so far it’s gotten pretty big from just some small plants.
I have planted mint here and there around the house, in what has been described as “ideal” sunlit, well drained, regularly watered conditions. So far, it isn’t growing well. Now - that’s the store bought nice flavored mints which, apparently, are a lot fussier. We have some mint-related weeds that crop up here and there, and they’ll grow to bushes 5’ high and 6’ wide if you let them, but I don’t like their flavors as well. But, even after letting a couple of those get really big, they’re not so fearsome to just mow down and keep in check - far less annoying than things like the Camphor trees and Green Briar vines and friends… As for desirable herbs that do grow easily here: rosemary is a big one, that bush right outside the kitchen door always grows faster than we need it to.
Hmmm, if only there was something those companies could do to retain customers. Something like lower prices without shrinking sizes?
Everything sucks these days. Every product is worse today than it was 10 years ago.
