What is Shatner even going to do in Strange New Worlds? Strange New Worlds happened before the Original Series which is where Shatner’s Kirk first appeared. Were they planning to do a time travel episode?
The article says exactly what they wanted to do…
Fuck shatner, it wouldn’t have been worth it
One could say he Shat(ner) the bucket with that one.
Goldsman’s biggest regret was not being able to bring William Shatner back to play a version of Kirk who decided to stay in Depression-era New York with Edith Keeler (Joan Collins), a soup kitchen operator he fell in love with in the episode “The City on the Edge of Forever.”
I do think Star Trek needs to be less backwards looking, but giving Shatner one last farewell that isn’t a disappointment like Generations was wouldn’t have been the worst thing in the world.
Speak for yourself sir, I enjoy Generations very much.
Glad you do! I do actually think it’s decent TNG outing, and the 1701-D never looked better, but as something that supercede’s TUC’s very satisfying farewell to Shatner’s Kirk? It’s barely enough screen time to justify putting him on the poster, and no real new character development – TWoK already hammered home that a quiet life doesn’t suit him. I’d have preferred they let the TNG films stand on their own.
Interesting take about TNG “standing on its own”. Sure that’s valid. But the first few seasons on TNG aired concurrently with the TOS movies. It’s never occurred to me that TNG is anything but a continuation of TOS, it’s Even in the name, not a spin-off, not a reboot, not an alternate timeline (until many movies later), a continuation of a story about imperialism struggling internally with morality and existential philosophy (vs. evil empire fighting rebels). New shows are welcome to be spin-offs, reboots, and alternate timelines, but (for me) not TNG.
Well, it’s a different ship, different crew, 80 years later. It may carry on from TOS thematically in a lot of ways, but they also did a lot narratively to keep them in their own respective sandboxes. And I think that was for the best.
I’ll compare it to the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Those films are very concerned with showing us what happened to Han, Luke, and Leia, and with replicating the backdrop and villains of the original films, and I think it’s largely to the detriment of really establishing the new characters as the stars of their own films. I think the TNG approach, keeping its distance to a much larger extent, was healthier.
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but even Citizen Kane is ass compared to TUC so maybe not a good comparison.
That’s a fair point. And I might be holding on too much to it as a perfect ending when it really was never going to be. Those characters will always be too big not to come back, whether it’s another reboot, a recast, or a terrible AI homunculus.
Interesting because my biggest regret with Strange New Worlds is old toxic Star Trek fans on the internet who are obsessed with bashing anything new in Star Trek.
That’s why I just read the jist of things and if I decide, ignore it. Course I’m an old fart so like an old fart and just ignore people who say things I don’t agree with (not really I try and take viewpoints into consideration at all times)
Sorry went on a bit but I always take comments with a grain of salt, then have to aggregate them like meta for game reviews to get an idea. Half the random comments have no substance, ignore them. Find the ones that have good points, consider if it’s worth watching…then just do what you want anyways. Only so much time I’m this world.
Though comments give you a rough idea of what’s decent, can’t rely on them in end. Growing up just ended up renting from box covers, way worse than this idea, so premise is interesting? Give it a shot. Can always press stop.
That’s strange, as an old Star Trek fan I think this is the best ST I have seen in years.
They probably meant more people bitching about Academy, which frankly, is “less woke” than SNW is by a lot. But no one really bitches about SNW.
Haven’t watched Lower Decks yet, huh?
LOW-ER DECKS! LOW-ER DECKS! LOW-ER DECKS!
you mean like musicals and puppets and the agenda where the future is only doughy women running everything? Crazy idea…why not put some science in science fiction? Instead of political agendas?
you mean like musicals and puppets and the agenda where the future is only doughy women running everything?
I love this, honestly it is a gem.
You hilariously misjudge the immense power of music, theater, puppet makers and doughy women.
TIL Anson Mount is a doughy woman. Or are we referring to Rebecca Romijn? She’s not waifish enough for your taste?
Depends, I have my opinions about some stuff of new trek but honestly I prefer to not saying nothing at all really. For example, Ortega sometimes have a undesireable behaviour in some episodes and is almost forced compared with other episodes. (Specially episode 9 season 3, Terrarium)
Or how sometimes, for some reason, universal translator don’t translate spanish words of Ortega or Captain Rios in picard.
Man Ortegas is probably my favorite SNW character and its criminal how underused and under developed she is as a character.
Is not a bad character, but sometimes she is rude for no reason like that episode in question.
I agree but at the same time I am impressed with how much development she and other less-central characters have been able to get in these short seasons.
The universal translator has always been a bit loose, though. If you apply that same scrutiny to the next generation, then every episode with Worf would never explain any of his Klingon culture without the words automatically translating to English.
At least the excuse of Klingon words is because they are insults like P’taq, how you translate a very specific insult? Also, why the federation will be interested in translate bad words.
You saw the Reddit automatic translation? In spanish translate all the english slangs into mexican slangs for no reason.
I’d like to headcanon that someone can elect certain exceptions to the UT for cultural reasons. I mean, Q was constantly speaking French and the UT didn’t translate it. And on the one hand, yes he’s a Q, but I think it’s important to be able to represent your culture.
Especially if someone is from a marginalised culture or if you’re studying xenolinguistics, it’s important to get a bit of that linguistic exposure. I’m learning the local Indigenous language, and I often use words from it in English conversations with monolinguals, because I think it’s super important for immigrants to pick up some local culture. My family immigrated to Australia from England many generations ago, and I’m the first of us to learn any of the local language. That’s a disgrace. We’re terrible immigrants.
Picard also dropped some French on occasion (memorably, “merde”), so the UT has definitely always had some mechanism to allow some flavour through.
Maybe the UT is the in-canon reason why Picard sounds like he’s from Mirfield and drinks tea nonstop.
Thankfully kür man is gone. Maybe we can get some decent star trek now.
Ugh, yeah. That tracks with Goldman’s unfortunate Kirk fetish that, like his Gorn head canon, has broken established Trek continuity throughout SNW.
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