Do you happen to have a link to him saying that in context? I recall him saying something similar, but I think the context was to have bravery to join a local mutual aid group, even if it’s outside your comfort zone (could be wrong, that’s just what I can remember).
Nope, don’t have the link and I’m not going to spend the enrgy to find it, either… I don’t bother with online anarchists - I sure as hell hope the offline kind is less cringy.
And no, it had nothing to do with mutual aid groups… he was exhorting people to knock on doors and “organise” - you know, that thing breadtube lipflappers are always talking about but never actually show themselves doing.
I expect this kind of shit from tankies - they are, by design, it seems - “lead from the back” types. But when anarchists do it it simply demonstrates how hopelessly disconnected they are from the working class they supposedly want to “liberate.”
I’d seen him suggest knocking on your neighbors doors to get to know them so you can build community and organize ICE watch groups. Without more context it’s hard to see those suggestions as negative.
“organise” - you know, that thing breadtube lipflappers are always talking about but never actually show themselves doing.
I take it you’re unfamiliar with his involvement in Cooperation Tulsa? He’s been organizing and getting involved with that group and making videos on it for quite a few years now, which is involved in a lot of really solid community organizing.
I take it you’re unfamiliar with his involvement in Cooperation Tulsa?
Okay, I’ll eat your humble pie. I’m wrong about that.
This is better. If anarchists wants to be taken seriously by the working class, they’re going to have to do more doing and a lot less talking - in fact, I’ll advise them to tone down on the talking until they can actually figure out how to actually talk to the working class again. They did know how to do this, once.
can build community and organize ICE watch groups.
The members of the working class that is willing and, more importantly, capable of doing that is already doing so, and they did not need Youtube leftists cajoling them into doing so.
The left has never earned the right to lecture the working class on what to do, and it never will - but the working class has always proven willing to be influenced by those elements of the left that is willing to lead by example.
It’s not about money… it’s about what it is that you’re offering.
It’s easy to join, or get people to join, something that already exists. But if there is nothing to start off with, there might be damn good reasons why there isn’t. And you need to think twice before telling people to “bootstrap” it into existence.
If anarchists wants to be taken seriously by the working class, they’re going to have to do more doing and a lot less talking
That suggests that Anarchists are not working class, and are somehow talking ‘down’ to working class, but they very much are the working class figuring out how to solve their own problems.
It’s not about money… it’s about what it is that you’re offering.
What are you talking about? What do you think makes someone working class or not? If they work for someone else for a wage to live, they are working class.
Do you happen to have a link to him saying that in context? I recall him saying something similar, but I think the context was to have bravery to join a local mutual aid group, even if it’s outside your comfort zone (could be wrong, that’s just what I can remember).
Nope, don’t have the link and I’m not going to spend the enrgy to find it, either… I don’t bother with online anarchists - I sure as hell hope the offline kind is less cringy.
And no, it had nothing to do with mutual aid groups… he was exhorting people to knock on doors and “organise” - you know, that thing breadtube lipflappers are always talking about but never actually show themselves doing.
I expect this kind of shit from tankies - they are, by design, it seems - “lead from the back” types. But when anarchists do it it simply demonstrates how hopelessly disconnected they are from the working class they supposedly want to “liberate.”
I’d seen him suggest knocking on your neighbors doors to get to know them so you can build community and organize ICE watch groups. Without more context it’s hard to see those suggestions as negative.
I take it you’re unfamiliar with his involvement in Cooperation Tulsa? He’s been organizing and getting involved with that group and making videos on it for quite a few years now, which is involved in a lot of really solid community organizing.
Okay, I’ll eat your humble pie. I’m wrong about that.
This is better. If anarchists wants to be taken seriously by the working class, they’re going to have to do more doing and a lot less talking - in fact, I’ll advise them to tone down on the talking until they can actually figure out how to actually talk to the working class again. They did know how to do this, once.
The members of the working class that is willing and, more importantly, capable of doing that is already doing so, and they did not need Youtube leftists cajoling them into doing so.
The left has never earned the right to lecture the working class on what to do, and it never will - but the working class has always proven willing to be influenced by those elements of the left that is willing to lead by example.
Anark has mentioned multiple times that he’s barely able to afford rent. Most Anarchists are working class, it is very rare that they are well off.
It’s not about money… it’s about what it is that you’re offering.
It’s easy to join, or get people to join, something that already exists. But if there is nothing to start off with, there might be damn good reasons why there isn’t. And you need to think twice before telling people to “bootstrap” it into existence.
I responded to this:
That suggests that Anarchists are not working class, and are somehow talking ‘down’ to working class, but they very much are the working class figuring out how to solve their own problems.
What are you talking about? What do you think makes someone working class or not? If they work for someone else for a wage to live, they are working class.