Ever met someone with autism? Them fuckers love garbage trucks
With an educational system focused on social goals rather than competitiveness, people would love to do something that positively impacts society like garbage collection or janitorial work. In fact, we can even see that in some capitalist countries where they hold socially beneficial work in high regard such as Japan
Loving garbage trucks is way different than genuinely enjoying being a person who collects refuse for living.
Even if society plays that they should be respected that does not automatically mean that there will be enough people who want to fill these positions.
You don’t have to be so discriminate. Urn it all. Anarchism needs none.
If your slow cognition of reality needs the translation via currency, check my home. Make lite or bch for corporate companies to rape tax the shit out of their very existence because like Mani Mani itself, it was never real.
Prohibition is the game. Drugs may exist without a game. Drugs are tools to fuck with your mind, in the game.
You have zero cognition of what the drugs do. Any of them. Even the best pharmacologist can knot only within. Ketamine, Dextromethorphan and a few other dissociative are the only vision outside this matrix. They are translators, if you will, to psychedelics that few can understand, even then.
I only can receive allusion through an angle in a dimension I’ve only recieved minor perceptions of unsewed. No, not angel because that is exactly what that is in dimension is thats we chose to stop percieving from.
This is an ego murdering delirium. Murder your ego to be able to acknowledge reality. That is how dissociatives translate into this delirium.
Drugs aren’t needed. They are a short path that go to knowwhere knowthing without murdering the ego.
This is how you can cognitize Thanos, Loki & He Who Remains as the true allusions drawn. Ironman is the “evil murderous ego” in that explination of the Marelvous Allusion.
Yes, it’s just a story. This delirium cannot cognitize fully what stories are, though.
MAEth is not the answer. From here you have to build a logic that can properly digest that. Logic needs no proof because even your vision and PSY hence the direction of the door butt are not the door itself. It’s just perceptable shit unsortable without basic logic.
Life never ends. To stop learning, is death itself. Death is not learning.
In Strange Aeons, even Death may die.
Look at that coast north of Europe. That is Cthulhu’s claw’s marking this continual delirium.
I think we would probably have to re-imagine our relationship with garbage to some extent. Take more personal responsibility for the garbage we create. Being a garbage collector would probably be a much more respected position too since they’re doing something that directly benefits the community.
Garbage collection doesn’t have to be a life sentence either. Maybe it’s just something you work for a couple months at a time. If people don’t care about the community littering would still be a problem. But is anarchism even possible if people don’t care about their community?
Anarchism is cool, but I really just want people to care about the place they live in and the people that live around them. I think a lot of other problems solve themselves after that.
I won’t say anything bad about garbage collectors, I feel pride for them of anything, because they do the most important work that nobody wants to do
Having said that, I think we should maybe implement something where each person obligatory has to do something like this, every so often. Let CEO’s pick up garbage too, they too generate it, usually most of it
Well yeah that’s why it’s often a government service, and the romans had garbage collection two thousand years before capitalism so idk, i guess i dont get the point of what people are trying to say here
Oh lmao didn’t realize what sub this was… yes obviously if there’s anarchy people will figure it out and start a government to keep things organized, sorry if that gets me banned or something lmao
That’s just an extension of the “who would clean the bathrooms?” “problem” (not really a serious issue just a lazy pro-capitalist-ideology rhetorical device)
Answer: The bathrooms need to be cleaned, so people would find a way to organize it being done.
Oh, just like garbage collection (and other things people don’t necessarily want/love to do) happened before/outside of capitalism.
Before capitalism they used slaves and criminals, and before that they didn’t take have sewage systems. You just went in the woods. Which worked when the population of the village was like 100 people - not so much when dealing with the shit of hundreds of thousands.
They also had a mix of bartering and currency, so they also had capitalism of some sort. And that’s going extremely far back. Money was invented as a concept essentially as soon as humans went from small villages to cities for a reason - the more complex and large the division of labor, the harder it is to get everyone to do what’s needed.
But the issue with money is that power is attached to it inherently. The best system would be one that has currency of some kind that’s regulated, but also doesn’t carry power - maybe instead reduces it.
While it’s true there is no precedent for this amount of population and this complex of “sewage” requirements before or outside of capitalism, that doesn’t mean capitalism is necessary to manage a complex sewage system for a large population. When people use examples like this as a rationalization to say “capitalism is necessary” it is lazy and tunnel visioned. A million other considerations aside, the fact that capitalism is destroying the planet and making and keeping most peoples’ lives miserable, pointing to logistical challenges like “who will do this tough job” is not an excuse to maintain the coercion of capitalism’s sort of “slavery,” wage slavery. We will find a way to manage the “shit” especially since the infrastructure already exists, look, so much of it has been built and can just be managed in a different way. If we ever needed capitalism (debatable of course) we don’t anymore.
A lot of people say capitalism is necessary and that was what it sounded like, considering the image in OP.
I don’t know if the sewage example disproves anarchism and it depends what you mean by anarchism anyways. If a hierarchy suddenly pops up for some very specific purpose or instance, is it suddenly “not anarchism” or “anarchism doesn’t work” if so many other things are done effectively in an “anarchist” way?
I’m not personally a strict 100% dogmatic anarchist, anyways. It’s a tool and body of knowledge and set of principles
I’ll play
Garbage collection
Ever met someone with autism? Them fuckers love garbage trucks
With an educational system focused on social goals rather than competitiveness, people would love to do something that positively impacts society like garbage collection or janitorial work. In fact, we can even see that in some capitalist countries where they hold socially beneficial work in high regard such as Japan
Loving garbage trucks is way different than genuinely enjoying being a person who collects refuse for living.
Even if society plays that they should be respected that does not automatically mean that there will be enough people who want to fill these positions.
I know people with autism. My brother has quite severe autism. Yeah, I see him loving to WATCH a garbage truck…
Working on one with dirty heavy garbage? Yeah, that is a big fat no.
With Meth, you don’t even need autism.
Wait how do we get meth without capitalism? Would the gangs just produced drugs for the love of the game?
I am pretty sure that was a joke
Jokes are more reality than anything I have seen or heard here.
Even Ledger’s joker was more real than most I’ve heard from.
Burn the dollar. That’s an answer, for real.
Not that the US dollar has ever been the world’s most valuable currency.
The euro pound and yen all more solid currencies than the dollar. Just look at the exchange rate.
You don’t have to be so discriminate. Urn it all. Anarchism needs none.
If your slow cognition of reality needs the translation via currency, check my home. Make lite or bch for corporate companies to rape tax the shit out of their very existence because like Mani Mani itself, it was never real.
Prohibition is the game. Drugs may exist without a game. Drugs are tools to fuck with your mind, in the game.
You have zero cognition of what the drugs do. Any of them. Even the best pharmacologist can knot only within. Ketamine, Dextromethorphan and a few other dissociative are the only vision outside this matrix. They are translators, if you will, to psychedelics that few can understand, even then.
I only can receive allusion through an angle in a dimension I’ve only recieved minor perceptions of unsewed. No, not angel because that is exactly what that is in dimension is thats we chose to stop percieving from.
This is an ego murdering delirium. Murder your ego to be able to acknowledge reality. That is how dissociatives translate into this delirium.
Drugs aren’t needed. They are a short path that go to knowwhere knowthing without murdering the ego.
This is how you can cognitize Thanos, Loki & He Who Remains as the true allusions drawn. Ironman is the “evil murderous ego” in that explination of the Marelvous Allusion.
Yes, it’s just a story. This delirium cannot cognitize fully what stories are, though.
MAEth is not the answer. From here you have to build a logic that can properly digest that. Logic needs no proof because even your vision and PSY hence the direction of the door butt are not the door itself. It’s just perceptable shit unsortable without basic logic.
Life never ends. To stop learning, is death itself. Death is not learning.
In Strange Aeons, even Death may die.
Look at that coast north of Europe. That is Cthulhu’s claw’s marking this continual delirium.
I think we would probably have to re-imagine our relationship with garbage to some extent. Take more personal responsibility for the garbage we create. Being a garbage collector would probably be a much more respected position too since they’re doing something that directly benefits the community.
Garbage collection doesn’t have to be a life sentence either. Maybe it’s just something you work for a couple months at a time. If people don’t care about the community littering would still be a problem. But is anarchism even possible if people don’t care about their community?
Yeah, that all sounds very nice. Now tell that to the average dumbass joe who doesn’t care…
Anarchism is cool, but I really just want people to care about the place they live in and the people that live around them. I think a lot of other problems solve themselves after that.
I won’t say anything bad about garbage collectors, I feel pride for them of anything, because they do the most important work that nobody wants to do
Having said that, I think we should maybe implement something where each person obligatory has to do something like this, every so often. Let CEO’s pick up garbage too, they too generate it, usually most of it
I dont get it
Garbage collection is a job nobody will volunteer for. It’s heavy, dirty, stinky work.
People typically do it because they don’t have another choice
You think people will happily volunteer for things like that before the streets become one stinking heap?bNoy happening.
Well yeah that’s why it’s often a government service, and the romans had garbage collection two thousand years before capitalism so idk, i guess i dont get the point of what people are trying to say here
People here think we don’t need a government to collect trash, communities will do that themselves, with magic!
Oh lmao didn’t realize what sub this was… yes obviously if there’s anarchy people will figure it out and start a government to keep things organized, sorry if that gets me banned or something lmao
Garage goober, eat that garbage!
But most places have publicly owned garbage collection, no?
That’s just an extension of the “who would clean the bathrooms?” “problem” (not really a serious issue just a lazy pro-capitalist-ideology rhetorical device)
Answer: The bathrooms need to be cleaned, so people would find a way to organize it being done.
Oh, just like garbage collection (and other things people don’t necessarily want/love to do) happened before/outside of capitalism.
Before capitalism they used slaves and criminals, and before that they didn’t take have sewage systems. You just went in the woods. Which worked when the population of the village was like 100 people - not so much when dealing with the shit of hundreds of thousands.
The indus valley civilization had a sewage system
They also had a mix of bartering and currency, so they also had capitalism of some sort. And that’s going extremely far back. Money was invented as a concept essentially as soon as humans went from small villages to cities for a reason - the more complex and large the division of labor, the harder it is to get everyone to do what’s needed.
But the issue with money is that power is attached to it inherently. The best system would be one that has currency of some kind that’s regulated, but also doesn’t carry power - maybe instead reduces it.
While it’s true there is no precedent for this amount of population and this complex of “sewage” requirements before or outside of capitalism, that doesn’t mean capitalism is necessary to manage a complex sewage system for a large population. When people use examples like this as a rationalization to say “capitalism is necessary” it is lazy and tunnel visioned. A million other considerations aside, the fact that capitalism is destroying the planet and making and keeping most peoples’ lives miserable, pointing to logistical challenges like “who will do this tough job” is not an excuse to maintain the coercion of capitalism’s sort of “slavery,” wage slavery. We will find a way to manage the “shit” especially since the infrastructure already exists, look, so much of it has been built and can just be managed in a different way. If we ever needed capitalism (debatable of course) we don’t anymore.
I didn’t say Capitalism is necessary. Tired of that strawman argument.
I’m saying Anarchism won’t work, and this is but one example of why. A better system is needed.
A lot of people say capitalism is necessary and that was what it sounded like, considering the image in OP.
I don’t know if the sewage example disproves anarchism and it depends what you mean by anarchism anyways. If a hierarchy suddenly pops up for some very specific purpose or instance, is it suddenly “not anarchism” or “anarchism doesn’t work” if so many other things are done effectively in an “anarchist” way?
I’m not personally a strict 100% dogmatic anarchist, anyways. It’s a tool and body of knowledge and set of principles