This is why I don’t play PVP games these days. Either I’m bad at it, so it’s not fun, or I start to get good enough that it starts to feel like a chore to keep up with the meta.
This whole thread is absolutely stupid. Going PvP probably brings out the dumbest, most obvious biases and insecurities out of people.
First like you say, literally all games today match you with similar players. So you’re going to roughly win 50%. So it doesn’t matter how good you are (except the literal best/worst), you’re always gonna lose and win the same amount.
Then also, if you are playing with someone that plays 10 hours a day, then either they are really bad for how much they play or you’re really good for how little you play. Either way, the match is fair again.
Then of course it literally doesn’t matter if you win or lose, games are about having fun, and you can have fun winning or losing. Coupled with the fact that you’re basically forced to lose 50% of the time, you better have fun losing, else why would you play a game that you just straight up don’t enjoy 50% of the time?
There’s literally no reason to “keep up with the meta”, it’s just an arbitrary excuse that “sounds reasonable”. You can play literally every PvP game without ever looking at what other people do, and still be good, or just not care if you’re not in idk, the top 10%. But people can’t handle it ego-wise if they’re not in the top 10%, so an excuse to not play at all is much less painful.
And if you bring up any of these points, it’s like politics, people don’t even listen to you because their mind is already made up or their ego prevents them, it’s useless.
All true, then they act like it’s a problem they dont olay their game. It’s video games it’s to waste time, if you dont play them literally nothing of value is lost, so play them or don’t it’s just not a big deal either way we have real problems in this world unfortunately
I mean I disagree with you there, I would say it is certainly a problem that they can’t play their games. Games are not meant to waste time, they’re meant to train real life skills, just in a lower stake, more approachable, abstract manner. And they actually do that really well (depending on the game), so if you can’t even play those, how are you expected to deal with all the stuff real life throws at you? If your ego keeps you from enjoying a simple game, what real things does your ego keep you from as well?
My dude, i love video games with a passion and i benefit greatly from having been a kid who mess with .ini files and making cracked software work, but the actual playing of video games does not train you for anything besides that particular genre of video games. If you aren’t having fun then just stop, maybe find a new game.
So you don’t think playing team games teaches you real life cooperation? That playing flight simulators teaches you about flight? Strategy games about multi tasking and resource management? Manager games about how to handle spreadsheets and optimization? Impostor style games about lying effectively?
No, except flight simulator which is not a game lol
Team computer games teach you how to be extremely toxic teammate that would get into a fistfight playing a real sport, strategy games teach you how to abuse minmax imperfect game balancing, manager games teach you how to abuse computer accepting dumb trades, impostor games hmm yes they do teach you how to be a lying sociopath so maybe it would be good training for CEOs.
This is why I don’t play PVP games these days. Either I’m bad at it, so it’s not fun, or I start to get good enough that it starts to feel like a chore to keep up with the meta.
I mean yeah but it should match you with similarly skilled players so it doesn’t matter if you’re good or bad?
This whole thread is absolutely stupid. Going PvP probably brings out the dumbest, most obvious biases and insecurities out of people.
First like you say, literally all games today match you with similar players. So you’re going to roughly win 50%. So it doesn’t matter how good you are (except the literal best/worst), you’re always gonna lose and win the same amount.
Then also, if you are playing with someone that plays 10 hours a day, then either they are really bad for how much they play or you’re really good for how little you play. Either way, the match is fair again.
Then of course it literally doesn’t matter if you win or lose, games are about having fun, and you can have fun winning or losing. Coupled with the fact that you’re basically forced to lose 50% of the time, you better have fun losing, else why would you play a game that you just straight up don’t enjoy 50% of the time?
There’s literally no reason to “keep up with the meta”, it’s just an arbitrary excuse that “sounds reasonable”. You can play literally every PvP game without ever looking at what other people do, and still be good, or just not care if you’re not in idk, the top 10%. But people can’t handle it ego-wise if they’re not in the top 10%, so an excuse to not play at all is much less painful.
And if you bring up any of these points, it’s like politics, people don’t even listen to you because their mind is already made up or their ego prevents them, it’s useless.
All true, then they act like it’s a problem they dont olay their game. It’s video games it’s to waste time, if you dont play them literally nothing of value is lost, so play them or don’t it’s just not a big deal either way we have real problems in this world unfortunately
I mean I disagree with you there, I would say it is certainly a problem that they can’t play their games. Games are not meant to waste time, they’re meant to train real life skills, just in a lower stake, more approachable, abstract manner. And they actually do that really well (depending on the game), so if you can’t even play those, how are you expected to deal with all the stuff real life throws at you? If your ego keeps you from enjoying a simple game, what real things does your ego keep you from as well?
My dude, i love video games with a passion and i benefit greatly from having been a kid who mess with .ini files and making cracked software work, but the actual playing of video games does not train you for anything besides that particular genre of video games. If you aren’t having fun then just stop, maybe find a new game.
So you don’t think playing team games teaches you real life cooperation? That playing flight simulators teaches you about flight? Strategy games about multi tasking and resource management? Manager games about how to handle spreadsheets and optimization? Impostor style games about lying effectively?
Etc etc etc
No, except flight simulator which is not a game lol
Team computer games teach you how to be extremely toxic teammate that would get into a fistfight playing a real sport, strategy games teach you how to abuse minmax imperfect game balancing, manager games teach you how to abuse computer accepting dumb trades, impostor games hmm yes they do teach you how to be a lying sociopath so maybe it would be good training for CEOs.