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But the Democrats said they had to support genocide for the voters.
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Democrats can only win the election if they support the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank
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The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris
Listen, Donald Trump is the worst. The absolute worst. Therefore, Democrats should be allowed to endorse a genocide to win an election. Anyone who disagrees is basically Russian.
The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris
And you definitely should not mention the part where Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote, even including Libertarians who usually lean right. Blue MAGA is as hostile towards that basic fact as Red MAGA is towards… most basic facts.
EDIT: See? Downvotes for basic, verifiable math lol
Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote
Obviously it wasn’t just the third party voters who betrayed her, but all the non-voters as well.
She ran the perfect campaign, but was stabbed in the back!
Maybe instead of promising “the most lethal fighting force in the world”, she should’ve promised it “in the galaxy”. Thinking big never hurts when it comes to imperialism.
I mean, you didn’t do the math, why should we?
…I did? It’s addition, very easy.
nah, you just listened to whatever your favorite news source was and parroted it without any concern of actual bias or whether it was people going to thiird party voters. You’re just echoing what you want to hear.
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The sensible liberal centrist position to take is “a bit of genocide”. So instead of sending 35 billion in military aid, you send 20. It’s called realpolitik, and it’s the adult thing to do.
That’s why they grovelled in front of Kissinger.
no fucking shit. idiots.
Theuniparty requires unconditional support for Israel
Republicans support Israel. Democrats support Israel. Republicans are worse. Therefore, you must support Israel or the Republicans win.
No, shut up. We will not cancel your student debt. We will not expand Medicare or Medicaid ever again. In fact, we’re rolling back all those COVID extensions Trump signed, because we need to focus on the national debt. Progressive policies are TOO EXPENSIVE. And now I’m sending Israel another $10B to fight ISIS or Hamas or whatever, idk anymore.
If you keep complaining, I’m going to assume you’re one of those Bernie Sanders Chinese Communist bot accounts.
You fuckwits got what you wanted. Deal with it.
My surprised Pikachu meme died a while ago. Pretend I’m posting him here.
Wow! You mean that thing that a shitload of people were screaming warnings about has finally been heard? And only 18 months too late to do anything about it! At this rate, they might figure out that trump is a pedophile before he dies. I sure do have a lot of hope that future elections are gonna go well and totally not be ratfucked out in the open with no pushback of any actual consequence. I’m glad that there will be a stern letter threatening to file a lawsuit (that will never happen) due to armed CBP and ICE at the polls terrorizing BIPOC. Inspiring stuff, papa Schumer!
Also the think they told those during surveys to not include in reports 🙃
The only thing to blame for her defeat is the American republican voters who are too fucking stupid and selfish to not be complete assholes. There is always things one could have done better, not having done perfect is just reality.
There’s not being perfect and there’s supporting a genocide. She deserves the blame
So just like Trump? Harris isn’t the one planning on profiting from real estate development in the gaza ffs. That’s who Republicans voted for.
Doesn’t really matter what happens after if the original goal is the mass murder and elimination of a culture. If I was Palestinian I would’ve sat out the election. Its easy to complain when no one you actually know was being bombed in an open air prison.
Americans are complaining about ICE arresting children and shooting citizens but thats been happening in Palestine for decades.
“No, it is the children who are wrong”
Children are stupid and ignorant, so yes, often wrong.
Your diseased “lesser evil” dogma is how we got to the point where supporting the modern-day holocaust is framed as “not having done perfect”.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is life. Welcome to it. You don’t always get to choose your options and mitigating the worst is a responsibility. Trump was easily the worst, and also supports the genocide. But Republicans couldn’t seem to figure that out. Apparently just like you.
Weird, I didn’t choose either evil but I’m still alive.
Yes, I meant you risked death…
All the crummy neo-lib takes makes me regret having voted for it to begin with. I compromised myself for the sake of damage control and I’m furious about it. I consider a neo-liberal as no better than MAGAt because when the mask comes off, they aren’t.
We’ve seen the mask of humanity fall off, and we’re asked not to believe what we’ve seen with our own eyes. It’s absolutely disgusting. I’ve seen liberals call not wanting to support an actual genocide a purity test. I’ve seen them refer to billions in military aid for a genocide “not perfect” (the implication being “good enough for me”).
Now, finally, American fascism is turning inward. They finally feel even just 1% of the violence they’ve been meting out on the rest of the world for decades, under every single president since Eisenhower. They deserve all of it, and more.
Yeah, I often think about that post that goes something like, “Donald Trump has done more damage to the American Empire and its propaganda machine than the last few decades of leftist organizing.”
I don’t like it. But I’m not sure it’s wrong either lmao
Good thing we don’t all get what we deserve.
The neolibs are usually treating LGBTQ+ folks and immigrants as remotely human, as opposed to targets. Even if you find the two parties to be woefully similar on too many big issues, please remember that, for as long as we exist in the shit system where election day really only lets you meaningfully choose between these two shitty parties, the lives of disenfranchised and vulnerable people do sit in one of the areas of difference where your vote could change something.
Nah sorry, at some point it’s on the Dems to pick an electable candidate. People act like it’s just leftists being unreasonable but the majority of Dem voters are pissed at the DNC. Responsibility isn’t a one sided thing here, you can’t expect a dog to be loyal if you keep kicking it.
“Please endorse the systemic murder of tens of thousands of children so I can maintain safety and comfort without needing to push for a candidate who will maintain my safety and comfort without carpet bombing babies.”
Sorry, no.
Also, remind me, those photos of Border Patrol agents whipping Haitian immigrants at the border… which administration was that under again?
Remind me, why did Dems refuse to codify abortion protections when they had a supermajority under Obama?
Dems don’t treat LGBTQ / immigrants as human, they treat them as chess pieces. They just play them with a different strategy than Republicans.
Neo-libs treat LGBTQ and immigrants as just another group of ppl to exploit for financial gain. Pretending they actually give a shit about anyone other than themselves is naive
Why would anyone waste their time studying something that’s blatantly obvious?
Can someone conduct a study to confirm that hot is hot and cold is cold?
Cause they get to pay themselves millions of donated dollars to do this study and then get paid millions more to come up with an Ad campaign to “fix” it
And that campaign, we need more Republican voters and to ignore the left entirely!
Ya, no shit.
Uh duh? And also just one of many, many things that her campaign screwed up.
Like backing away from going after price gouging corporation and ignoring the economic reality of the Average American and speaking of the recovery and inflation reduction in the academic abstract instead of to the average sixth grade reading level American.
What? No but she took specific helpful advice from her Brother in Law and CLO of Uber to stop talking about wealthy people and economic hardship cause he knew all about it! The super wealthy she surrounds herself gave such good advice and all we need to do is fix the minority experience and money money money for days.
How could ignoring everyone but the select few around her go so wrong? We just need to elect her and then she will get it right. For sure.
Maybe she would’ve won if she campaigned with the descendants of more war criminals.
The dissent was widely known and broadcast — they chose their line. And it will cost us decades if not generations.
yep, I think the centrists think of it as a single lost election that they can just have a do over on next cycle. Many of the dem base voters they imagine will come back are third party for life now. People take supporting genocide pretty personally. Many on here like finitebanjo and givesomefucks want to pretend the DNC dems never supported genocide. But they did, and still do. Theres no take backsies or do overs on that.
I like to point out that Democrats had anti-LGBT+ beliefs, feelings, and I’m certain passed legislation for it then started backing off when it became hot button relevant. Which is good, but they are not the innocent poster boys/girls they like to make themselves out to be.
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So we’re just saying things now huh
Provide evidence of statement. Watch them try to disagree with their very eyes. Orwellian as hell with the neo-libs in this post.
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The comment you were responding to.
I like to point out that Democrats had anti-LGBT+ beliefs, feelings
The video proves objectively that was true. Same with genocide today. The party doesn’t get to skate by ignoring genocide anymore. They must change or they will continue to lose. If you continue to vote for their continued support of genocide, it means you support genocide.
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Don’t pretend or white wash it, even Democrats were anti-LGBT+.
They still are, we all saw how Harris threw trans under the bus
Ya I’m stil on the if your trans thats fine doesn’t bother anyone.
But the keep your son off my natural daughter’s team. Is an opinion a lot of people have and to pretend that’s not turning away voters is huge. And trying to force it will continue to equal losses
Downvote me all you want, I know I am right, you deep down know I’m right. And the majority of Americans are right
You can take your “both sides equally bad” and shove it you worthless scumbag.
…Useless centrists whining about the outcomes of their own bad ideas as they steer the party off cliff after cliff. You know who saw Harris’s loss coming in the last election Halfsaleman? Everyone. Everyone but centrists like yourself as you cheerfully pulled the voting lever to support what you claim without proof was support for a “lesser, kinder, gentler” genocide. We’re all here in trumpland because of people like yourself.
You are delusional or a liar and your painting me as a centrist is cope or hollow propaganda. Eat shit.
Nope, because they’re the same side.
Wut? Duh. That’s literally why she lost
Gaza is almost certainly not the only reason. We also have Latinos for Trump, the Right Wing Podcast pipeline, endemic sexism, and endemic racism to thank.
Always trying to deflect it back in voters and never the candidates that don’t represent the people that refused to vote for her
I mean… have you MET most voters?
Of course I’m blaming the voters. We had a job to do, a responsibility which we clearly failed to do. Our job is to make the best decision possible at the voting booth, not wait for idiots to make the decision for us while we make popcorn and complain we didn’t also get candy and a soda.
The fundamental principal of “democracy” requires that “The voters are always right”.
Any argument that the voters themselves are wrong is an indictment of democracy itself. It is a suggestion that We The People are incapable of governing ourselves, and require the external mandate of a benevolent dictator.
You can argue that a candidate failed to appeal to the voters. You can argue that the voting system failed to accurately reflect voter sentiment. You can argue that third parties unduly influenced the voters. You can point out the paradox of Trump being worse for Palestine than Harris would have been. But in a democracy, the voters are the source of truth. Laying blame on the voters requires rejection of the very idea of democracy.
To extend your metaphor, you want to go out to the movies with a bunch of friends. You and most of the group want to watch Oppenheimer. But most of the people who want Oppenheimer would rather just download it and watch it at home. We would only go to the theater for candy and soda and popcorn. Knowing that we aren’t going to show up without all three, you vetoed two of them, and called us selfish assholes for wanting what we want. Now you’re complaining that the people who did show up selected Barbie, and you’re trying to blame us, even as you ignore that you’re the reason why we didn’t bother to go out.
If Palestine is getting bombed no matter what happens, the only voters who are coming out are the ones who want Palestine bombed.
You and most of the group want to watch Oppenheimer. But most of the people who want Oppenheimer would rather just download it and watch it at home. We would only go to the theater for candy and soda and popcorn. Knowing that we aren’t going to show up without all three, you vetoed two of them, and called us selfish assholes for wanting what we want. Now you’re complaining that the people who did show up selected Barbie, and you’re trying to blame us, even as you ignore that you’re the reason why we didn’t bother to go out.
Any argument that the voters themselves are wrong is an indictment of democracy itself.
That’s a lot of words you seem to be putting in my mouth there friend. These aren’t mutually exclusive ideas. I can blame voters for not showing up to the polls and still see the value in a democratic government.
If Palestine is getting bombed no matter what happens, the only voters who are coming out are the ones who want Palestine bombed.
And I thought I had the hot take, holy shit. This is simultaneously an argument to disenfranchise ourselves from the democratic process AND the assumption that those who did participate in the electoral process, regardless of their actual beliefs, are automatically pro-genocide. I’m actually astounded that this is your argument. This is a greater rejection of democracy than anything I said. It’s insane.
Just because we didn’t vote for your shade of fascism doesn’t mean we didn’t show up. The whole get in line and comply is a thing of the past, candidates can either earn our vote or can fuck off.
If a genocide isn’t your red line anything you say after that isnt irrelevant or significant
That’s a lot of words you seem to be putting in my mouth there friend
Nah, I don’t think it is your intention to say these things. I think that you didn’t consider what you were actually saying when you tried to lay the blame on the voters instead of the candidate.
My point is that just because action was taken by the voters does not mean fault for that action rests with the voters. Here, the candidate’s advocacy for genocidal actions is the cause for her failure to win election.
This is simultaneously an argument to disenfranchise ourselves from the democratic process
That’s a common error: Abstention is not disenfranchisement. The voter is not capable of disenfranchising themselves. Disenfranchisement is a concept that can only be imposed on the voter against their will.
Demanding the voters select from two genocidal candidates is disenfranchisement: the only democratic choice remaining is abstention.
Expanding on the Latinos for Trump thing, lots of white liberals seem to be shocked at the levels of rightwing support from the Latino population. They speculate (wrongly) that it’s due to Cubans in Florida; and while that group does support the right, it’s not because they remember their time in Cuba and hold a grudge against communism.
No, the issue is one that has been around a long time now and has been completely ignored because most people don’t speak Spanish. Almost all mainstream Spanish media, from shows, to news, to social media has been far, far, FAR right for decades now. Like, it makes Fox News look like MSNBC.
And the language barrier is a 2 part issue. Not only are English speaking liberals completely unaware of how bad the propaganda is, but people that are only fluent in Spanish don’t hear any alternatives. All they get is the propaganda, there are no other sources. You tell them about the horrible stuff Trump or the GOP has done and they look at you with a blank face. They don’t hear about it, because it’s never reported for them. And people on Spanish social media tend not to talk about it for the same reason.
The rot is deep. Very deep. Telemundo and Univision have completely fucked the Latino populace by hiding reality from them and pushing pro-billionaire messaging.
No, the issue is one that has been around a long time now and has been completely ignored because most people don’t speak Spanish. Almost all mainstream Spanish media, from shows, to news, to social media has been far, far, FAR right for decades now. Like, it makes Fox News look like MSNBC.
Aside from that, they know they have a captive audience for many of their viewers, who are unable to go fact check them by consulting English-media. This is true for monolingual Spanish speakers, but also for many folks who have learned enough English to get by in their day-to-day lives, but who are not comfortable following or discussing something more complex like politics in English.
Pretty much every time I would watch the news with my mother-in-law, if they had an interview or clip from a politician dub over into Spanish, I’d catch them engaging in some fuckery with their translations. Either they would deliberately omit parts of what was said to make the translated part sound worse, or they would choose key words where they would pick a translation that is related to a more accurate word for the English word spoken, but with a much more negative connotation to it.
They’d also ignore when right-wing conspiracy theories get debunked in English, and just keep on pushing them for months after they’d been discredited with no mention of this fact, as though they were widely held, mainstream beliefs.
Then again, white Americans who don’t interact with either group very much seem to consider all Latino and Black Americans as two monolithic voting blocks, ignoring the reality of the many different cultures, national backgrounds and ethnicities that comprise either group. Lots of white people just think of them as solid, unreachable Democratic voters, for some reason. There are plenty of people in either group who the Democrats can’t reach, because despite agreeing with the rest of a Democrat or Progressive platforms, they hold deeply conservative religious or cultural beliefs on abortion and sexuality. Like, I hear people saying “¡Maricón!” on the daily more often than I heard edgy kids dropping the f-word on the middle school playground back in the day, and nobody bats an eye because rampant homophobia is still a cultural given in a lot of places, unfortunately. If you actually interact with any people of color on a regular basis, it’s probably not as surprising to see how the right can pull in greater numbers of POC by playing to the right themes for those deeply held views and prejudices.
Thank you for providing this insight. My grandparents did not speak English, I can only imagine that they were similarly disinformed by the limited access to media from their native tongue.
We also have Latinos for Trump
This is a good point. The Democrats also abandoned the idea that immigration was a moral issue or that building the wall was based on racism, and instead tried to run on, “We’re the real border hawks” and it won over approximately zero moderate conservatives while alienating Latinos.
the Right Wing Podcast pipeline,
Another good point. Right wing podcasters and streamers are often promoted by the GOP, their politicians will go on their shows, even if they aren’t 100% aligned. The good news is, there is one leftist streamer who has a big audience, on a similar level to some of the big rightist streamers, who could have been used to level the playing field at least a bit. The bad news is, because he supports Palestine, the Democrats wanted nothing to do with him, and completely failed to make use of him or even appeal to him.
Very few people voted for Trump. He didn’t win.
Stop blaming voters and focus on fixing the voting system.
What? Trump has the second and fourth most votes in history in the US, plenty of people voted for him. That’s literally the problem, that 77 million people could sign up up vote for this guy post covid fuck up.
What percent is that?
It’s low as fuck. Almost everyone hates him.
That’s true, especially right now. His polling numbers are like post covid low right now.
So breaking down 2024 (I’m not gonna use exact numbers for brevity, but the percentages are), let’s call the population of the US around 340 million. Like 73% of the people who can vote were registered to vote in that election, 170+ million people. Only 65% of eligible voters either voted or had their votes counted (there was verifiable voter suppression and vote destruction, in addition to the billionaire doing illegal voter manipulation), around 150+ million.
Kamala got just over 48% of of those votes 75+ million, Trump got just under 50% with 77+ million. So at the end of the day Trump won with 31% of the total number of eligible voters and Kamala lost with 30%.
So yeah in the grand scheme of things not even close to a majority of people and only a very small plurality of voters got Trump in office the second time. It’s also useful to note turnout in 2020 and 2024 were record high percentages of eligible voters voting (the former beating 1908, and the latter tied 1968).
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/
Yes, if the US was a democracy that allowed a progressive candidate to run a normal race, they would win by a landslide.
Few people are moved by milk toast centrists nor far right fascists.
Bruh he won the popular vote.
Because there was no progressive candidate at the debates
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Based on his track record if I only viewed things through the lens of “What can you do for me?” then Trump should have lost. His first term was a travesty and the COVID lack of response a showing of his incompetence. But some of those voters still voted for him despite this and it confounds me how.
His name was on the checks that went out. It created a positive association that people didn’t forget, but they did their best to shove everything that happened for the 2-3 years it was really really bad down the memory hole. Just to maintain their sanity.
I think that American society is still much more misogynist and racist than we realize. I don’t like it, but I think that if the Dems had done most everything exactly the same except had given the nomination to a straight, white male, then Trump would not have won. Between this and GOP vote stealing, that is how Trump won. Otherwise, the dumpster fire that was Trump’s first admin would have guaranteed that he lost in 2024. I don’t know what else explains it except some combination of misogyny, racism, and vote-counting shenanigans.
Several things happened. One, he picked the most vulnerable swing states and focused on those, and delivered exactly the message people wanted to hear. Second, Harris in those same states instead of telling people what they wanted to hear, told them she wasn’t trump, and paraded out unpopular conservatives to try to swing right leaning voters her direction. Instead of finding a massage to give people a good reason to vote for her, she leaned pretty hard on “well have you seen this other guy??”
People crave motion and action. So in those few states she got her ass handed to her. The rest of the country largely voted along the lines it always has. Democrats learned nothing from Obama’s victory or Clinton’s loss, they thought they’d successfully turned the tide after Biden swept up a fucking disaster and then went on to make a half hearted attempt at badly needed though still unpopular debt relief. Then he took too much cold medicine before a debate and got his ass handed to him.
Most people aren’t thinking much beyond the roof over their head and the food on their table. If Democrats can’t make those two things easier, the guys with a bad plan looks better than the guys without one at all.
