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Global South doesn’t eat enough meat. Let’s get rid of first worlders being fat and lazy, and distribute the food to all countries equally, then talk about meat consumption.
What do you mean by “eat enough meat”? Humans don’t have a biological need to eat meat, so by definition technically everyone has “enough” meat. If you just mean in terms of fairness then sure, the global south should get a bigger share of resources, that’s clear.
How the fuck can we get enough protein without eating enough meat? People in global south do not only suffer from calorie deficiency but also protein deficiency, which is related to meat (red or white) and dairy usage.
Maybe for first worlders who can be vegetarians because they like the identity, people who are malnourished need adequate resources, and a diet with meat and dairy is the most efficient way for a large population, at the moment.
That’s just factually wrong. It simply takes more resources to make the same amount of protein in meat as in vegetarian foods, that doesn’t matter where in the world you live. It takes 50 times more land just to grow the feed for beef or sheep than to grow the same amount of protein in legumes.
/s? Because through like… every other abundant source of protein. We actually eat way, way too much protein on average, which your body has to just filter out. It does you no good and just overworks your liver.
Soy, rice, beans, legumes, and many other foods provide abundant protein.
If you want to worry about not getting enough of something, focus on fiber.
I do. And so do a ton of other people with digestion/absorption diseases/issues. And for some of us it is a source of recurring stress. Maybe try to be as inclusive in your statements around diet as you would around anything else.
Would you be willing to cite a link to medical information regarding such issues? I’ve spent a long time looking for such things in the past and have never been able to find any evidence for what you suggest.
The stuff in the spoilered section that follows is all from the clanker summary in a google search since I’m on my way out the door. My own experience is below if you wanna skip the summaries.
Spoilered in case some folks don't wanna see llm generated summaries.
Crohn’s disease sufferers face immense challenges going vegan because a traditional plant-based diet relies heavily on foods that are structurally and texturally aggressive to an inflamed digestive tract. While plant-based diets offer great health benefits for the general public, the fundamental components of veganism directly clash with the physiological limitations of Crohn’s
The Insoluble Fiber “Sandpaper” Effect - A standard vegan diet is inherently packed with insoluble fiber from raw fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and bean skins.
Mechanical Irritation: Insoluble fiber does not dissolve in water and remains bulky as it passes through the intestines. In an inflamed, raw, or ulcerated bowel, this rough texture acts like sandpaper, causing intense cramping, bloating, and pain.
Stricture Risks: Chronic inflammation often creates strictures (narrowed sections of scar tissue). Coarse, fibrous vegan foods can get physically trapped in these narrow pathways, creating a high risk for dangerous bowel obstructions
Limited Safe Protein Options - Protein is essential for healing damaged gut tissue, but a vegan diet eliminates animal proteins, forcing reliance on plant alternatives that are notoriously difficult for Crohn’s patients to tolerate during flares
Legumes and Beans: Foods like lentils, chickpeas, and black beans are vegan staples but are packed with complex sugars (FODMAPs) and tough skins that trigger severe gas, pressure, and diarrhea.
Nuts and Seeds: These are incredibly hard to break down completely by chewing. The sharp, jagged fragments can scrape against the intestinal lining and easily irritate inflamed areas
Compounded Malabsorption and Deficiencies - Crohn’s disease already severely compromises the small intestine’s ability to absorb vital nutrients. Layering a restrictive vegan diet on top of an already malfunctioning gut drastically compounds the risk of malnutrition:
B12 and Iron: Crohn’s frequently causes deficiencies in Vitamin B12 and iron due to ileal inflammation and bleeding. Because plant-based sources of iron (non-heme) are much harder to absorb than animal sources, and B12 is natively absent in plant foods, vegan Crohn’s patients face rapid depletion.
Caloric Density: Plant foods are highly filling but volume-for-volume contain fewer calories than animal fats and proteins. When a flare limits how much volume a patient can physically eat, a vegan diet makes it incredibly difficult to consume enough daily calories to prevent dangerous weight loss
My experience:
For me, personally, when I try to go ‘more vegetarian’ what I end up with is undigested veg in the toilet and enough pain to keep me bedridden for a week or more. I have tried this many times over the course of treating my disease. From ‘meatless mondays’ to simply having all of my veg in boiled and mashed form (holy fuck does that get old fast).
The blood tests I take every month before my iron infusions show the impact even more clearly than my pain. When I cut out meat my blood work comes back with negligiable amounts of many important vitamin and minerals. A good example would be iron. I have to get constant iron shots even while eating a meat-heavy diet because my digestive tract does not absorb it from food, pills, or even the disgusting liquid format. The same goes for b12, magnesium, and a pile of other important compounds.
This is all not even mentioning the severe intestinal blockages and diarrhea (Yeah… both of these at once) associated with chickpeas, lentils, beans, or even commercially sourced protein powders.
I would very much love to be ‘more vegetarian’, But for me that trade-off would be endless suffering and an early death from malnutrition.
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Yeah let’s get rid of meat and agriculture and eat ai tokens
No, let’s get rid of ai and meat and eat more sustainable foods.
Global South doesn’t eat enough meat. Let’s get rid of first worlders being fat and lazy, and distribute the food to all countries equally, then talk about meat consumption.
What do you mean by “eat enough meat”? Humans don’t have a biological need to eat meat, so by definition technically everyone has “enough” meat. If you just mean in terms of fairness then sure, the global south should get a bigger share of resources, that’s clear.
How the fuck can we get enough protein without eating enough meat? People in global south do not only suffer from calorie deficiency but also protein deficiency, which is related to meat (red or white) and dairy usage.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vegetarian+protein+sources
Maybe for first worlders who can be vegetarians because they like the identity, people who are malnourished need adequate resources, and a diet with meat and dairy is the most efficient way for a large population, at the moment.
That’s just factually wrong. It simply takes more resources to make the same amount of protein in meat as in vegetarian foods, that doesn’t matter where in the world you live. It takes 50 times more land just to grow the feed for beef or sheep than to grow the same amount of protein in legumes.
/s? Because through like… every other abundant source of protein. We actually eat way, way too much protein on average, which your body has to just filter out. It does you no good and just overworks your liver.
Soy, rice, beans, legumes, and many other foods provide abundant protein.
If you want to worry about not getting enough of something, focus on fiber.
I do. And so do a ton of other people with digestion/absorption diseases/issues. And for some of us it is a source of recurring stress. Maybe try to be as inclusive in your statements around diet as you would around anything else.
Would you be willing to cite a link to medical information regarding such issues? I’ve spent a long time looking for such things in the past and have never been able to find any evidence for what you suggest.
I’m not in a position to do a bunch of journal sourcing right now. But you can get some information here as a start:
https://nalmclinic.com/blog-1/2021/1/22/vegan-diet-and-inflammatory-bowel-disease
https://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/patientsandcaregivers/diet-and-nutrition/what-should-i-eat#Foods_to_Minimize_in_Diet
The stuff in the spoilered section that follows is all from the clanker summary in a google search since I’m on my way out the door. My own experience is below if you wanna skip the summaries.
Spoilered in case some folks don't wanna see llm generated summaries.
Crohn’s disease sufferers face immense challenges going vegan because a traditional plant-based diet relies heavily on foods that are structurally and texturally aggressive to an inflamed digestive tract. While plant-based diets offer great health benefits for the general public, the fundamental components of veganism directly clash with the physiological limitations of Crohn’s
The Insoluble Fiber “Sandpaper” Effect - A standard vegan diet is inherently packed with insoluble fiber from raw fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and bean skins.
Mechanical Irritation: Insoluble fiber does not dissolve in water and remains bulky as it passes through the intestines. In an inflamed, raw, or ulcerated bowel, this rough texture acts like sandpaper, causing intense cramping, bloating, and pain.
Stricture Risks: Chronic inflammation often creates strictures (narrowed sections of scar tissue). Coarse, fibrous vegan foods can get physically trapped in these narrow pathways, creating a high risk for dangerous bowel obstructions
Limited Safe Protein Options - Protein is essential for healing damaged gut tissue, but a vegan diet eliminates animal proteins, forcing reliance on plant alternatives that are notoriously difficult for Crohn’s patients to tolerate during flares
Legumes and Beans: Foods like lentils, chickpeas, and black beans are vegan staples but are packed with complex sugars (FODMAPs) and tough skins that trigger severe gas, pressure, and diarrhea.
Nuts and Seeds: These are incredibly hard to break down completely by chewing. The sharp, jagged fragments can scrape against the intestinal lining and easily irritate inflamed areas
Compounded Malabsorption and Deficiencies - Crohn’s disease already severely compromises the small intestine’s ability to absorb vital nutrients. Layering a restrictive vegan diet on top of an already malfunctioning gut drastically compounds the risk of malnutrition:
B12 and Iron: Crohn’s frequently causes deficiencies in Vitamin B12 and iron due to ileal inflammation and bleeding. Because plant-based sources of iron (non-heme) are much harder to absorb than animal sources, and B12 is natively absent in plant foods, vegan Crohn’s patients face rapid depletion.
Caloric Density: Plant foods are highly filling but volume-for-volume contain fewer calories than animal fats and proteins. When a flare limits how much volume a patient can physically eat, a vegan diet makes it incredibly difficult to consume enough daily calories to prevent dangerous weight loss
My experience:
For me, personally, when I try to go ‘more vegetarian’ what I end up with is undigested veg in the toilet and enough pain to keep me bedridden for a week or more. I have tried this many times over the course of treating my disease. From ‘meatless mondays’ to simply having all of my veg in boiled and mashed form (holy fuck does that get old fast).
The blood tests I take every month before my iron infusions show the impact even more clearly than my pain. When I cut out meat my blood work comes back with negligiable amounts of many important vitamin and minerals. A good example would be iron. I have to get constant iron shots even while eating a meat-heavy diet because my digestive tract does not absorb it from food, pills, or even the disgusting liquid format. The same goes for b12, magnesium, and a pile of other important compounds.
This is all not even mentioning the severe intestinal blockages and diarrhea (Yeah… both of these at once) associated with chickpeas, lentils, beans, or even commercially sourced protein powders.
I would very much love to be ‘more vegetarian’, But for me that trade-off would be endless suffering and an early death from malnutrition.
HTH