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Silliari@quokk.au to Communism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 days ago

but apparently china is oppressive

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    Wonder how many Uyghurs still speak Uyghur 🤔

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      There are 10 million native speakers in China, out of a total population of 12 million.

      This isn’t the own you think it is.

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    Can’t they be both?

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/02/1133212

    https://www.savetibet.eu/issue/united-nations/

    https://tibetoffice.eu/beijing-faces-fresh-eu-scrutiny-as-lawmakers-convene-a-hearing-to-examine-impact-of-chinas-ethnic-unity-law-on-tibetans-uyghurs-and-other-targeted-groups/

    https://tibet.net/statement-on-international-human-rights-violations-in-tibet-and-chinas-systemic-breaches-of-international-standards/

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      Get new material

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    That “96% Tibetan language” stat is a classic distraction. It ignores the cost of that statistic. You can boast about language retention while simultaneously criminalizing the Dharma, arresting monks, and using state violence to suppress any mention of the Dalai Lama. A language isn’t “thriving” if its speakers are being systematically silenced through fear and imprisonment. Don’t mistake linguistic survival for cultural freedom.

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      Buddhist Marxist here. The dhamma isn’t criminalized in Tibet or elsewhere. China has one of the strongest Buddhist monastic movements in the world, and Tibetan Buddhism is not criminalized.

      The Tibetan slave-owning theocracy was as brutal as it gets: 95% of the population of tibet were slaves or feudal serfs before China liberated it in 1959. The medieval tortures the population were put through, were some of the most brutal in the modern era.

      It ignores the cost of that statistic.

      Totally confused by this. Why is there a “cost” in preserving the Tibetan language in Tibet?

      The Dalai lama and his family refused to liberate his serfs, and fought against this movement. Even his own brother was a CIA terrorist asset. This goes along with the CIA tactic of seeking out religious reactionaries to combat communism.

      • What about Tibet? (95% of the population were slaves or feudal serfs before China invaded in 1959) audiobook
      • Tibet, China, and the Violent reaction of a wealthy elite.
      • Mao’s liberation of Tibet
      • Dalai Lama - Forgive Pinochet
      • Dalai Lama admits his organization recieved millions from the CIA yearly.
      • Dalai Lama - If the next Dalai Lama is a female, her face must be attractive, otherwise its not much use… she should use makeup.

      Also what is with all the racist vibes-posting? Is it impossible to provide a source anymore?

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        Tashi Delek Dessalines La, Don’t mistake a permitted existence for a free one. To trade the overt chains of feudalism for the subtle surveillance of the state is not progress; it is merely a change in architecture. A culture is not ‘thriving’ if it only exists by the state’s leave. A gilded cage is still a cage.

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          it is merely a change in architecture.

          Going from slavery and amputation as punishment to being free and Tibet being developed is not a mere change in architecture. Are you seriously saying the former is better? Even if we were to believe in the surveillance of the state, that is STILL far better than the former like come the fuck on.

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          A culture is not ‘thriving’ if it only exists by the state’s leave

          ??? How would any culture exist without being allowed to ?

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    Tibet was sold to China in the 20th century. Natives in America were conquered and uprooted centuries ago, and more than once.

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    Human Rights Watch article for this year. Still oppressive.

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      HRW is CIA funded, try again

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      Imagine still Zenzposting in 2026

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      hrw can smd[1][2][3]

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    Cool surface cherry picking. Tibetans are one of the minority groups in China, as opposed to the entirety of indigenous peoples in the US which is the comparison being made. It also only highlights the language, disregarding the cultural and religious practices.

    I do think it’s awesome to keep languages alive, but that’s not a whole culture.

    In other news, indigenous peoples in the US have their own legal system that applies to their lands and which isn’t easily infringed on by the federal or state governments. That’s not true in China, so while they can speak their language they are still under other types of oppression.

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      in china minorities get their own autonomous provinces (e.g. Xinjiang for Uyghurs, Tibet for Tibetans) which would be like if the US gave the Navajo nation a whole state with their own autonomy

      and their languages on currency

      (also you aint slick, imagine having no other points so you scroll through my page, find the other post and copy and paste your comment)

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        edit: to be clear, I have not said anything. op said “it would be like if this thing existed” and I pointed to that thing existing. any inference you draw from that is your own, and is ultimately a reflection of your thoughts about the argument presented by op. rejection of an argument for a point is not necessarily rejection of the point itself; it is possible to construct a flawed argument to support the point that 1+1=2

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          Okay now post the one with the size of the reservations over 100 years and do the same for China

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          not really anywhere close to the size of Guanxi for example, which is the smallest in china

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            Not to mention the Navajo have zero political represtation

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan

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      cool surface-level confidence. you might want to consider reading a single supreme court decision for the last few decades. congress has plenary power over tribes – meaning that congress can abolish tribal courts, override tribal verdicts, or sell tribal land without consent whenever it feels like it.

      there’s also lone wolf v. hitchcock; used last year in castro-huerta where the supreme court ruled that states can prosecute crimes by non-indigenous against indigenous on reservations – overriding tribal jurisdiction. not to mention that the major crimes act of 1885 stripped tribes of prosecuting felonies like murder. there’s also public law 280 imposed state jurisdiction on reservations in six states without a single tribal vote.

      so no, tribal legal systems aren’t “not easily infringed on.” they exist at congress’s pleasure. the only difference between the us and china here is that the us has better pr.

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      Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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        What the fuck are you talking about?

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    https://cwis.org/2021/07/does-china-have-indigenous-peoples/

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      the anglosphere buried children and genocided the rest of their familes while china built schools – quit swallowing american propaganda.

      american, canadian and australian policies were genocidal. they built residential schools that forcibly removed indigenous children; banned their languages; and caused thousands of deaths. over 1,800 unmarked graves were recently discovered in canada alone and all three countries had a policy of “kill the indian, save the man.” canada’s indian act stripped sovereignty, banned ceremonies, and enabled forced sterilizations into the 1970s.

      china has nothing close to this. yes, it promotes mandarin in education, but minority languages (tibetan, uyghur, mongolian) are still taught, used and – most importantly-- not banned. ethnic autonomous regions cover over 60% of china’s territory yet no mass graves; no stolen children; no forced sterilization like in the united states, canada, australia, greenland or even isreal.

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        In addition to mass detention, government policies have included suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[7] political indoctrination,[8] forced sterilization,[9] forced contraception,[10][11] and forced abortion.[12][13] An estimated 16,000 mosques have been razed or damaged,[2] and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

        I’m not defending America. But you are defending China and you shouldn’t.

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          NATOPedia isn’t as neutral or objective as people think.
          Meet Wikipedia’s Ayn Rand-loving founder and Wikimedia Foundation’s regime-change operative CEO

          Previously:

          The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

          The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

          Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
          https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

          • The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
          • A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
          • The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
          • Uyghur genocide allegations
          • American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
          • US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
          • The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent

          Previously:

          Genocide is more than just killing, it’s the deliberate destruction of a people including its culture and institutions.

          (a) Show me the Uyghur bodies

          (b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm

          (c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part

          (d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group

          In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.

          (e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group

          violent incidents in East Turkestan

          I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.

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            Lmao that reddit thread

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          The vast majority of muslim nations on earth sent delegates to investigate in person and declared the accusations baseless

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          not even elementary school children are allowed to cite wikipedia anymore because it so biased and wrong. lol

          and speaking of bias: nearly half the citations in the references are funded by the us government – both directly and indirectly. go read to what happened when trump gutted most of usaid and you’ll see how deep the american propaganda factory goes.

          or better yet, do yourself a favor – read anything from the american freedom of information act. the american gov’t has effectively been forced to admit it fabricates propaganda and this fact has been public record since the 1970s, americans still believe the propaganda anyways.

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            This is 2026 article from Human Rights Watch. I feel like the OP is one of the slight propaganda for better view of China.

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              How many times is Zenz used as a source, directly or indirectly, in that article?

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              i’ll restate my comment using a copy/paste of different comment:

              the freedom of information act provides a quick & easy litmus test for things like this – and human rights watch fails it.

              since 1979, the freedom of information act has been proving that the western characterization of north korea as a hermit kingdom with despotic rulers was american manufactured propaganda – and almost 50 years later, human rights watch still believes the propaganda somehow.

              this isn’t some random conspiracy theory – this is the american 👏 fucking 👏 government 👏 itself effectively admitting it to the public and in writing almost a half century ago that they manufactured this propaganda, but human rights watch still believes in this propaganda anyways so there’s no reason to listen to what they have to say about china.

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          Always falling back on quoting the liberal Holy Scripture.

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            A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink.

            “I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.

            “Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”

            The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”

            Previously:

            The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.

            The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.

            This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.

            The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”

            None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.

            • Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
            • Propaganda model
            • Edward Bernays
            • Walter Lippmann
            • Council on Foreign Relations
            • Powell Memorandum
            • The Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy
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      “China voted in favor of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples” and your beloved daddy america voted against it, the declaration was being voted on in 2007 when the 5 minority autonomous regions were established between 1947 -1965, it wasn’t until 1975 with the “Indian Self-Determination and Education Assistance Act” did the native americans get autonomy

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        Why not finish the paragraph?

        Even though China voted in favor of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the government has not implemented the plan.

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      Our mailing address is: PMB 214, 1001 Cooper Pt. Rd. SW #140 Olympia, WA., 98502-1107 USA

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    Tankies: genocide is good actually but only when we do it

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      Do you read?

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      You’re not witty, you’re just a coward with a keyboard – engage honestly or get lost.

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        Tankies while engaging in bad faith: How dare you engage in bad faith.

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          The state department thanks you for your service

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          Go back to reddit

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            How many times per day do you leave this comment

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          Fascists on their way to the firing squad: rhjskfbsjajsvdhdhjsjsks

          (we won’t be able to hear them because we stuffed a sock in their mouth)

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      The vast majority of muslim nations on earth got together to send delegates to investigate in person, they declared the accusations baseless. ___

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    Two things can be bad

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        What are you even defending here?

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          What do you think you’re opining here about?

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      it’s bad that 96% of ethnic tibetans can speak tibetan?

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      waow is that true
      two things
      like at the same time

      🤯

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      They can, and they’re both the US

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      This liberal thought-terminating cliché should be added to the slur filter.

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      Can’t you people be a bit more creative? I’ve seen this same retort word to word multiple times in multiple posts.

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      They can, but aren’t

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      I know that people love to use this phrase but like we only have one bad thing here wtf???

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